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Saturday, June 17, 2017

SGG’s “School”: Still a Bad Bargain

Dannie Dolan’s May 21 Bishop’s(?) Corner was the usual mix of wall-to-wall sanctimony, coupled with his never-ending pleas for more money (ncluding a heavy-handed hint to “remember us in your will”).1  (The only “saving grace” was that there wasn’t any of his tasteless banter about baby bunnies being shredded by his feral felines.)  But, sandwiched in between the aforementioned claptrap – since it is now “graduation time” -- was a “plug” for SGG’s “school,” after which he lamented, “We only wish more parents would take advantage of the excellent education we offer.”  But why the lament?  Well, it’s pretty obvious why: the enrollment at SGG’s “school” is even lower than last year’s pathetic total.  (Last year there were about two-dozen kids there; this year, there were nineteen.)

But an even more “telling statistic” is that -- buried somewhere else in that same SGG bulletin, safely out of sight of Dannie’s ’Corner -- there was an announcement about four of SGG’s “graduates.”  And what was so “telling” about it?  The four listed “graduates” graduated not from SGG’s “school,” but from “Christian” academiesthat’s what!  Yes, they graduated from Protestant schools!  Here, at SGG, whose “school” was created so that the Gerties’ kids could get a “Catholic education” – and whose whole raison d'être is to keep them from (“committing the mortal sin of”) attending a “public” or “Protestant” school – these kids are being sent to a Protestant academy.  Does that tell you something?”

Of course, Dannie could not mention this “in the same breath” with his glowing words about his “school,” because that would make it too embarrassingly obvious: that parents would rather risk sending their children to a Protestant school than send them to Dannie’s sewer.  Knowing full well that they ran the risk of those kids “absorbing Protestant values and beliefs,” they still sent them there, instead of sending them to SGG for a “catholic” education (not to be confused, by the way, with a Catholic education).  Again, “does that tell you something?”

Now Dannie did mention (in a subsequent bulletin) that there were actually three graduates from SGG’s “school” this year – but two of the three were Lotarskis (i.e., the children of the “school principal).” 2  In fact, other than “Lotarski” graduates, the number of graduates in the “school’s” twenty-odd year existence can probably be "counted on one hand.”  Yet Dannie still extols its “virtues.”  And of all the “graduates,” how many have gone on to distinguish themselves academically?  (Hint: the answer begins with a “z,” and rhymes with “hero.”)  “But,” one of Dannie’s trolls might counter, “What about the spiritual life?  What about getting a ‘Catholic’ education?”  Well, the answer to that one (again) is ZERO. As a “for instance,” how many “priests” has SGG produced?  (So far, again, none.)

Those parents who sent their kids to those Protestant academies know this; that’s why they sent them there.  They know full well that the best “career” that an SGG “grad” can aspire to is “supermarket stock-boy.”  These folks want their kids to “be something,” so that they can compete successfully in today’s world – and they know that SGG’s “school” won’t even come close to preparing them for a good career. 3   And the fact that they will even risk sending their kids to a Protestant academy “speaks volumes.” 4

But if they think that they can “insulate” their kids against absorbing the “spiritual” side of that Protestant education, they’d better think again.  And the reason is simple: those “Protestant values” to which those kids are exposed, besides being genuine, are consistent – not like the selectively enforced double-standard claptrap that gets dished out at the cult centers every day.  And, although Protestants preach “fides sola” (i.e., that “faith alone,” not “good works,” are necessary for salvation), in practice, they are “functionally Catholic.”  In practice, these people realize that people must adhere to moral standards – and they do.  These people, for the most part, live by Catholic moral standards; and, more importantly, we reiterate that they apply them consistently.  

In double-standard Tradistan, on the other hand, whatever “moral standards” that there are (and there aren’t many) are – to reiterate -- selectively enforced.  That being the case, these kids are not stupid: they’ll “pick up” on that (just as many of SGG’s kids already have in the past); and when they do, chances are that they’ll opt for moral consistency, not for the letter-of-the-law dogmatism wrapped in hypocrisy (that Dannie passes off as “Catholicism”).  Young people in their “formative” years are “sponges”; and they absorb, both consciously and unconsciously, that to which they are exposed.  So, their parents had better not be surprised if their kids come home one day as “evangelicals.”  Given what goes on at those schools vs. what passes for “Catholicism” at places like SGG or MHT, such an outcome is almost inevitable.

The other thing that one must stop to consider is how these Protestant academies “market’ themselves: they welcome people with open arms, and they make them feel “wanted.”  In Tradistan – both in its “churches” and its “schools” – newcomers are treated with suspicion -- like incoming inductees at a boot camp for lepers.  And many newcomers showing up for the first time are unceremoniously turned away at the door for wearing “inappropriate attire” (as if they were supposed to have some foreknowledge of the cult center’s “dress code”).  (Some are even physically “man-handled” by “ushers” as they “escort” them out the door.)  And in some cases (at MHT, for instance), newcomers are even met with open hostility.  What an advertisement for Tradistan, huh? 5

So, between the superior “marketing skills” and the vastly superior academics of these Protestant academies, Dannie and Tony (and “the principal”) should have much to worry about.  The fact that “dyed-in-the-wool” traddies are sending their kids to Protestant schools, despite of all the associated “risks,” should make people start to wonder why those parents are not “taking advantage of the excellent education we offer [at SGG].”  After all, if SGG’s “education” is so “excellent,” then why did those parents send their kids, not just to “another school,” but to a Protestant school?”  To reiterate, wasn’t the whole idea of SGG’s “school” to give kids a “Catholic education” – to keep them from “committing the mortal sin” of attending a public (or, “God forbid,” a Protestant) school?  If so, then why are those loyal SGG “Catholics” sending their kids to a Protestant academy?  Once again, the obvious answer: SGG’s academics are abysmal.  

But it’s not just about “academics,” because they’ll also start noticing that, in addition to superior academics, those Protestant academies are teaching their kids real moral standards – which, again, their kids will let their parents know. And those kids will let other kids know: they’ll no doubt start “networking” with their young SGG counterparts, letting them know that, instead of the cult center’s selectively enforced double standards, they’re getting real (and universally enforced) Catholic morality at these “Protestant” schools.  And, in time, both those children and their parents will come to the sobering revelation that SGG is both an academic and spiritual wasteland.

The fact that this year’s SGG “student body” has shrunk to nineteen students should in itself have been enough to convince them that something is very wrong about SGG’s “school” (and reason enough for parents to keep their kids away from this miserable dump).  But this latest revelation -- that those parents are sending their kids to Protestant schools: this is “the icing on the cake.”  It tells us that these parents, whether they choose to admit it or not, are probably aware of SGG’s shady “morality,” and therefore want their kids going somewhere else to get something better.

Sometime back, we wrote an article entitled SGG’s School: A Bad Bargain (click here).  Well, it’s still a bad bargain.  Our advice, in light of this latest “revelation” about those kids going to Protestant academies, is run, don’t walk, away from SGG’s “school.”  In fact, let’s go one step farther: run, don’t walk, away from SGG itself.  Everything about it is POISON: its “school,” its “clergy” – everything.  The cult masters are counting on you to stay, out of “respect for the cloth” (which is just “human respect wrapped in a Roman collar”).  These men are not Catholic.  They are not good.  Leave them.  Leave the cult.  You’ll be glad you did.

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1 Pleas like this are one of Dannie’s staples, as the atrocious turnover rate at the cult center (coupled with the Lotarski millstone around his neck) necessitate the constant begging of money for his “big ticket” expenses (as he puts it).  Dannie is always calling for people to “remember us in your will” – especially older women – because they are the most vulnerable.  For one thing, women (in general) are more emotional than men – and more likely to fall for Dannie’s sugary sanctimony.  And since, statistically, women are more likely to survive their husbands, there are more of these widows for Dannie (and other cult-masters, such as Ramolla) to prey on.  In fact, Rambozo has one bankrolling him right now.  She’s not a widow per se, but her husband is reportedly in poor health (and probably not aware that she’s feeding the Ham Sandwich his hard-earned money).  And when he dies, she’ll probably “sign over” her entire estate to Rammy.

2 The bulletin did mention five other “graduates”; but these were “eighth-graders.”  Normally, when referring to “graduates,” one means graduates from high school or college, not grammar school.  Besides, many of those eighth-grade “graduates” go on to other schools to finish their education.  Dannie listed them as “graduates” (and included them with the high school graduates in the “class picture”) to give the impression (on its web page) that SGG has “a lot of graduates.”

3 Ironically enough, Dannie talked about “A Catholic Education” in his Trinity Sunday sermon, where he implied that teaching a student a trade or skill to be successful in today’s workplace was a “Marxist” notion.  If that’s the case, then the medieval guilds were “Marxist,” as were any “secular” courses (math, science, medicine, astronomy, etc.) taught at the medieval universities to prepare students for professions in those fields.  Dannie seemed to imply that the kids at SGG were getting the “classical academics” that “counted” (including “the sacred liturgy,” as he put it).  Such an education would be at least partly beneficial if that were the case – but it isn’t.  The “academics” at SGG are woefully substandardand Dannie knows it.  And he also knows that’s why those parents chose to send their kids to Protestant schools, where the academics are good.  Dannie knows that SGG’s “school” is a failure, both academically and spiritually; and he also knows that people are starting to wonder why “the principal” is being paid big bucks to run such a dump -- hence his recent desperate attempt (playing the “Catholic education” card) to “justify” it in any way that he can.

4 What also “speaks volumes” is that these parents are most certainly paying big bucks to send their kids to those Protestant academies.  And if SGG’s “school” were “excellent” (as Dannie contends), then it should also be charging “big bucks” for its tuition -- but we bet that it isn’t.  (The families whose kids go there are not “well-to-do,” and can’t afford steep tuition; and “the principal’s” kids, of course, pay nothing.  And who would want to pay big bucks to send their kids to that dump anyway?)  But, even if the SGG “students” were paying steep tuition (which they’re not), nineteen students is not enough to cover the Lotarski family’s “salary” (one of those “big ticket expenses” that Dannie mentioned in his ’Corner, and which, of course, is nothing more than “hush money” that he’s paying “the principal” to keep his mouth shut).  (“The principal” has boasted – more that once – that “they can’t fire me; I know too much.”  So, we wonder, is that why “the principal” survived the 2009 “school debacle”?)

5 Whatever one’s opinion of Protestantism, one must admire their “marketing” skills.  That is one of the reasons why, within barely a generation, Protestantism in “Catholic” Latin America has grown form virtually nothing to over 25% of the population – and their percentage of “quality” people – the upper middle classes – is even higher.  Demographically, Catholicism in “Catholic” Latin America is dying: Protestantism is the fastest-growing religious segment in Latin America.


True, in Latin America, the traditional Faith is still strong among many – both rich and poor.  There is, in fact, a well-grounded traditional movement there.  But the difference between there and the U.S. is that the Latino clergy are much more intelligent and much better formed than the gringo “clergy” – and, unlike the cult-masters, they’re not so worldly and self-seeking.  If there is hope for “traditional Catholicism,” it is much more likely to be “south of the border,” not here in the U.S. – and certainly not in Dannie’s or Big Don’s dumpster bin.

86 comments:

  1. Sanborn is having his high school educated sisters create an online teaching school. This is, no doubt, a money endeavor to get Eldraucher's new Aussie children and any Arizonians who can't follow him back to Florida to participate in a money making scheme for the pampered princesses.

    As bad as SGG is, MHT is going to outnumber their abuses. It only takes getting one person smart enough to realize that they can shut that place down with the truth. Let's hope someone will do it.

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  2. Amen! And, yes, as bad as SGG is, MHT is WORSE. At SGG, the students are “volunteered” to do “choir practice” during school hours (and “volunteered” to sing at funerals, etc, during school hours; but the Brooksville students perform janitorial duties as well – especially for the “pampered princesses.” And, of course, the “faculty” are high school graduates at best – from MHT’s so-called “school.”

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  3. Let me add to your indictment, Watcher, by referencing two other incidents at $GG $chool, which have appeared frequently on your blog: viewing animal torture videos and Internet porn. You can bet the farm that these Protestant academies would not dismiss such grave immoralities as just "boys being boys."

    When the Gertie graduates go out on their own, they'll compare the $GG hypocrites to the earnest Protestants who educated them and register the huge difference. Many will then opt to leave traditional Catholicism. Traddies can hand-wring and whine all they want about the apostasy, but, in one's heart of hearts, will any thinking person really be able to blame these young people? Just be sure to lay the blame squarely where it belongs — on the cult masters.

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  4. I'm not from Cincinnati, but I did a Google search and found that there were a number of options available for an authentic classical education, including one NO Catholic school (Edmund Campion).

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    1. There are several excellent academic schools in the Cincinnati area – some Novus Ordo, some public. The Protestant academy to which the one family sent their kids is in Adams County (a good 50 miles or so east of Cincinnati); and the other Protestant academy was “Mars Hill Academy,” which bills itself as a “classical education” school. We suspect that the parents of those kids picked the schools for both "academic" and “geographic” reasons.

      At any rate, there are many good choices for kids to get an excellent academic education. (There are many "specialty" schools, such as "foreign language" schools -- even a “performing arts” school -- in the city.) Most of SGG’s parents either send them to schools other than SGG, or they home-school them. (One, a former SGG school teacher, home-schools her kid. She wouldn’t trust him to Dannie’s dump.)

      The only area “trad” school that gives kids an acceptable academic education is “IC” (Immaculate Conception Academy), run by SSPV’s Fr. Jenkins (with whom Dannie is at odds). We have no information on how it compares academically with other arch-diocesan and private schools. For that, one would have to “do a little digging” to find out. But one thing for sure: it certainly beats SGG.

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    2. How do you know that “IC” (Immaculate Conception Academy) provides acceptable academic education?

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    3. We checked IC’s website, and found quite a bit of information (you can start with the link https://icaohio.com/about/teacher-pages/, which lists their faculty). The faculty and staff include at least two people with doctorates (including its vice-principal); and its principal, Fr William Jenkins, studied at the Pontifical University of St. Thomas Aquinas in Rome, Italy, and holds a Licentiate (Master’s) in Theology. The website lists the faculty and staff by name, but not their credentials. However, one can find out by emailing them. (Their web addresses are listed.) IC’s website also mentions that many of their students get college scholarships, etc.

      In contrast, SGG’s Cekada holds a bachelor’s degree in theology (from St. Francis Seminary in Milwaukee – a Novus Ordo seminary); and Dannie Doaln’s Wikipedia biography mentions no degree at all. By the way, if you check SGG’s website, you’ll find no biographical information on its “school” (except two words: “Qualified teachers”). We remember that SGG does have one teacher with a doctorate; but we don’t know whether it’s in “education” per se. (She teaches English composition). Their principal (Lotarski) has only a bachelor’s degree, and worked as a restaurant manager before teaching. As for the rest of the faculty, their numbers a(and credentials) are not listed. (We know that at one time, Lotarski’s wife and one daughter were “on the faculty.” The wife, we believe, has a bachelor’s degree in something, but the daughter has only a high school diploma from SGG’s “school.”)

      From people with whom we’ve talked, all agree that SGG’s “school” is a dump. But, by contrast, we know several people (including college graduates) whose kids go to IC; and they all give it high marks. IC’s website has contact information about its school. So, if you want to find out more, contact them.

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  5. We’d like to mention too that we had a big laugh reading Dannie’s recent “Bishop’s(?) Corner” this past Sunday. Dannie mentioned that “Trinity Sunday marked a significant milestone in the history of St. Gertrude the Great School with one of the largest graduations in our thirty some year history.” As we mentioned in our article, five of those eight ere eighth-graders (which really don’t “count” in the commonly understood meaning of “graduates”); and, as we also pointed out, two of the three actual graduates were ”Lotarskis” (the “principal’s” kids). Lastly, we noted that this year’s “student body” is smaller than last year’s.

    Dannie’s boasting about the size of the graduating class, then, only accentuates the falseness of his claims about the school. (For one thing, the fact that this year there are fewer overall students (with such a “big graduating class”) means that some of the other students (from last year) have dropped out, making for a pathetically small “student body” next year. (That won’t keep Dannie from boasting next year, however. Knowing him, he’ll probably then brag about the “vastly improved teacher-to-student ratio we have at SGG this year”!)

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    1. I’m confused. Dolan refers to this group of 8 graduates as “our” graduates. Does this mean all of these graduates are from his SGG school? Were the high school seniors from the protestant schools included in this count?

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    2. No, they (the ones from the Protestant schools) were not included in the count. So, at least he’s correct in saying that they’re “our” graduates – but that’s about as far as his “truth” goes.

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  6. Watcher, you keep in writing things beyond your knowledge. It is true that SGGs school is very poor, attested by the fact that some of the most loyal familes that live nearby homeschool their kids. One of these formerly homeschooled boys is even at MHT seminary unfortunately. But this doesn't make Protestants "functional Catholics" or whatever. I was once a protestant (and an athiest) and I can tell you they are as ridden with hypocrisy as Catholics are, and are much farther from any resolution because they are cut off from the true teaching of our Lord. They may provide a decent education (reading, writing, arithmetic), like many public schools can, but this doesn't exonerate the very real heresies such groups propagate. Also noted is your (and Pistrina's) snobbery. "Quality people" indeed! I've never know more ruthless and cunning folks than these.

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    1. Anon 8:42 PM:

      No, we are not “writing things beyond [our] knowledge” in what we said. We said SGG was an academic and spiritual wasteland, and we gave plenty of valid evidence to back up what we said. (And you yourself confirmed what we said about its academics: “It is true that SGG’s school is very poor, attested by the fact that some of the most loyal families that live nearby home-school their kids.”) So, what was it about what we said there that was “beyond our knowledge”?

      If you were referring to the fact that we called these Protestants “functional Catholics,” then you were either mistaken, or you were willfully misconstruing our words, by taking them out of context. In the context we were talking, it was clear (to people other than you) that our remarks pertained to these Protestant academies, and were not meant to be (nor were they) an endorsement of Protestantism in general. but were just made to illustrate that Protestants often live by Catholic moral standards (unlike SGG and MHT, which have conclusively shown that they do not). You knew that, but you chose to willfully misconstrue what we said.

      We realize, along with you, that Protestantism is wrong. We also realize that its beliefs are heretical, hypocritical, contradictory, etc. But another point that we were trying to make is that, because of their adhering to Catholic moral standards (in the case of these Protestant academies), there was the danger that – when those SGG kids (who go there) compare the UNCATHOLIC behavior of the cult-masters at SGG with the adherence to true moral standards at those academies, they might mistakenly choose Protestantism over Catholicism. Can you not see this?

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    2. Watcher - you have hit the nail on the head.

      Anon 8:42PM CHOSE not to see your point.

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    3. To Anon 8:42:

      People homeschool for different reasons. While some loyal parishioners may not send their kids there because they don’t like the school others may very well have other reasons not having anything to do with the quality of the school. Also good thing they are not a cult since a cult would REQUIRE attendance which SGG obviously does not.

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    4. @Watcher,

      You are disillusioned if you think kids will not encounter moral issues at any school Catholic or not, pre VII or not. Sin and temptation do not stop at the gate of a good Catholic school. Sure there are vast differences in the levels encountered between various schools but acting like these protestant schools are some moral utopia is simply willful ignorance. A quick google search will show many examples of sexting and other moral issues prevalent in private NO Catholic and Protestant schools.

      I understand you may want to run a school differently or handle issues that come up differently, but let’s not pretend the SGG school is the root of all evil and any other school just simply must be so much better.

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    5. Does the principal in those schools abuse the students? Does the principal's sons abuse, threaten and use profanity on students, teachers and random parishioners? Does the principal's sons morally corrupt other students by showing them animal torture and porn videos? Does the principal's son impregnate other students? Does the principal and his sons state they can do anything they want because they know too much and can't get fired? Do the principal's sons state that one of the priests (Cekada) exposed himself to them while supposedly taking them swimming? Do the priests in charge of those schools fire and attempt to deport other priests and employees who blow the whistle on the principal Lotarski and his sons? Even w/out the above, one Dolan dead bunny story in the bulletin would guarantee my children never stepped foot on SGG property unless I was right beside them.

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    6. Many of the families at these places homeschool not due to distance, but due to them wanting to have the Mass but they know you need a last name and/or money to actually have your children treated fairly.

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  7. To Anon 5:45

    The Watcher's objection to St Gertrude Academy is that moral turpitude like watching porn is excused as "boys being boys". That's sick and definitely far below the standards of any institution public or private.

    Everyone sins and falls short BUT the key difference is not to excuse wrongdoing like these cretins at SGA do. At any school public or private the admins will swiftly punish anyone they catch doing that. They'll do it for no other reason than job security. But most adults know how wrong it all is.

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    1. to anon 6:59 am

      Saying boys will be boys does not excuse something but basically means that mischievous or childish behavior is typical of boys or young men and should not cause surprise when it occurs. This doesn’t always mean condoning it, but yes sometimes it does. I am guessing those so applauded at this is the same bunch that thought it was horrible that people actually change their clothes at the YMCA “oh my”. If boys were caught looking at porn at school then yes obviously they should be punished. If Father C. didn’t punish them then I would agree that was a poor decision. Yes kids at a public school will typically get a detention for this offense.

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    2. Yes, I’d say it was a VERY “poor decision” that “Fr. C” (Cekada) didn’t punish those boys. Actually, it was an atrocious decision – and it was actually Dolan’s job to punish them. And that “kids at a public school will typically get a detention for this offense” is a bit of an understatement. In a public school (or any school) they’d surely get expelled. And in a “traditional Catholic school,” being expelled would be thew very LEAST that they’d get.

      As for the thought of people changing clothes at a YMCA, that in itself would not be “horrible”; but “changing clothes” is not quite the same as “a priest walking naked in front of teenage boys”” – and that’s what reportedly happened. In that case, I think that I would classify that as “horrible.” Something like that cannot be excused under ANY circumstances.

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    3. Ironic that Sanborn expels for going to the movies, and Dolan doesn't expel for watching porn on a school computer. I guess two extremes there...or maybe it just depends on the last names?

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    4. Yes, ironic!! (And we get your point about “last names”!!) And what’s even more “ironic” is that, although Dannie took no action against the Lotarski boys for doing what they did, he did “take action” against a teacher who complained about it: he FIRED him! (More of that “double standard” behavior from the cult-masters!!)

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    5. Watcher 5:49 PM

      Public school kids surely don’t get typically get expelled for that. I’m sure there are some cases, but that would not be the norm. I can see expulsion for a repeat offender, but not for a first offense. I am not trying to say that would be a minor thing such as chewing gun in class. What more in a trad school would there be than expulsion?

      Regarding the YMCA too many trads have become total prudes in a non Catholic more puritanical (i.e. in error) way. When the YMCA was formed all men had to not only change, but swim naked. That changed when women were allowed to attend. When I was in public school we changed and showered naked from 6th grade forward. The shower room was basically a large room with 3 poles each having about 4 shower heads around it so basically we all were packed (naked) into one room. Also the adult men coaches from our sports teams also were naked in the same locker room. Somehow we all survived and were not scared for life from the experience that has been normal among men for thousands of years. I’m sure you can feign outrage, but if you are older than 20 years old I’m sure your school was no different. A priest or other adult male changing in the same room as a bunch of high school boys is not horrible.

      Watcher 10:36 AM

      Are you saying a teacher was fired for complaining that students were watching porn? (I doubt it) Or is this yet another one of the cases in which you state something meant to imply one thing, but in reality you meant another?

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    6. You're right about that....public schools are smart enough to have filters on their computers AND keeping a watchful eye on computer rooms.

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    7. Public school kids get expelled for making their fingers into a gun, but not for watching porn (ha ha ha ha ha) -- Planned Parenthood shows them porn. And now SGG does too - because boys will be boys. I guess 'boyz' use profanity on and physically threaten other students and faculty too and don't expelled in public schools (yeah, right) esp if they're the principals sons.
      http://sggscandal.com/




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    8. To Anon. 4:39 PM:

      We won’t even waste our time responding. Your post speaks for itself: rubbish.

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  8. To Anon. 5:45 PM:

    We did not think (or imply) that kids wouldn’t “encounter moral issues at any school Catholic or not, pre VII or not.” Nor are we “acting like these protestant schools are some moral utopia.” And yes, we know that “a quick google search will show many examples of sexting and other moral issues prevalent in private NO Catholic and Protestant schools.” We do not deny that any of those things go on at other schools – but those sorts of things are not condoned at those schools.

    SGG, as a “traditional Catholic school,” is a place where immoral behavior should be abhorred, but instead is CONDONED – not publicly, of course, but “privately,” i.e., away from the eyes of parishioners. That is the difference between SGG and other schools. And, for the umpteenth time, we’re not saying that other schools don’t have “moral issues” – especially Protestant schools. We’re only saying that those Protestant academies to which those SGG parents sent their kids are -- at the very least -- consistent in their moral training, and – as “the Reader” pointed out in a previous comment, “You can bet the farm that these Protestant academies would not dismiss such grave immoralities [the viewing of animal torture videos and Internet porn] as just "boys being boys."

    You, Anon., of course know this. But, like Anon. 8:42 PM, you choose to ignore it.

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    1. While you may not agree with the level of discipline brought for some offenses, and I might even agree with you depending on what it is, I don’t believe any trad priest as a matter of practice condones students watching porn. I will even give you that a priest may decide for whatever reason to overlook a particular offense at a particular time and this may or may not be correct depending on the situation, but you strongly imply in your writings that the SGG clergy condone this as a practice and that is simply not correct. Also it is a good thing since SGG is not a cult they don’t require parishioners to send their children to the school so if parents feel the priest are too strict or too soft they can decide not to send them.

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    2. Anon. 1:12 PM: Regarding the watching of porn, etc., Dolan & Co. would certainly not “condone it as a practice” (which would be "political suicide") – and we did not say that. What we said was that Dannie privately condoned it (so as not to arouse the obvious opposition it would get from the parishioners). But word of it got out; and that’s part of the reason why half the parish left back in 2009. And let us also repeat, as we told another commenter, that – whether they would force kids to go to their school or not -- SGG is indeed a cult. It may possibly not be to the degree as Sanborn’s cesspool, but it’s a cult just the same.

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    3. Watcher 2:50PM

      *SGG doesn’t force parishioners to send kids to their school
      *SGG doesn’t force parishioners to donate even 1 penny to attend
      *SGG doesn’t force parishioners to track donations (as some protestant parishes do)
      *SGG doesn’t force parishioners to exclusively attend their church
      *SGG welcomes new parishioners

      How exactly are they a cult?

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      You are still implying that they condoned it privately as a practice. That is nonsense. ½ the parish left because in general people get emotional and blow things up to the point that it becomes an all or nothing scenario. Again if parishioners didn’t like how the school was run they didn’t have to send their kids to the school. Also many split because they take things that people like you say at face value without verifying themselves to realize how much things are taken out of context, or blown out of proportion. It IS possible to agree with X% of what a priest does disagree with Y% and yet still attend their mass. Heck even if a priest had a horrible secret sinning life that wouldn’t mean splitting up a church unless you are one of those sanctimonious trads of which there are so many.

      You Sir, as usual are simply blinded by hatred and bitterness. Maybe you should come to the YAG and you might meet a nice friend.

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    5. To Anon, 7:47 PM

      Cults do not operate by forcing anyone to do anything. They do it by “persuasion.” And “cultish behavior” comes in varying degrees. SGG cannot persuade people to commit mass suicide, as Jim Jones did at Jonestown, but they do persuade people by “guilt-tripping” them and by other more subtle forms of persuasion. And speaking of “persuasion,” they DO track what people donate; and they drop not-so-subtle hints on what they should give. (Printed right on the envelopes, for instance, they have such things as, “Thou shalt not forget to give thy tithe to the Lord,” and “Contribute for Sundays you miss! Expenses stay the same.” Also, each envelope has a space for “previous balance,” “today’s offering,” and [remaining] “balance.” Big donors get special treatment (as many have reported), while those who don’t give “enough” are not. For example, the Novus Ordo wife of a big donor got a “triple-play” Requiem Mass, while the Novus Ordo parent of a not-so-big donor was denied hers – and her last rites. (these latter people, by the way, were big supporters of SGG. The husband worked in SGG’s office, and the wife handled the SGG bulletin.)

      As we said before, cults don’t “force” anyone per se. They do it by persuasion,” So, concerning your statement, “SGG doesn’t force parishioners to exclusively attend their church,” they may not force people to go there “at gunpoint”; but they do punish them for going elsewhere – by denying them the sacraments (as they did to Fr. Ahern’s brother). And as for “SGG welcomes new parishioners,” newcomers have been escorted out for “non-appropriate attire,” and/or have not been denied Communion for dressing that way. This has happened several times, and reported as such. I would not call this “welcoming new parishioners.”

      To Anon. 7:55PM:

      You, sir, are the one blinded by hatred and bitterness. You know that we did NOT say that Dolan condoned it [watching porn] “privately as a practice.” We said “privately,” but not “as a practice.” You willfully misconstrue our words, just to generate another mendacious comment. And half the parish left not because they were “emotional,” but because they found out the facts about SGG’s “school.” So, again sir, you are not only blinded by hatred and bitterness”; you are willfully misrepresenting the truth.

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    6. To Anon who doesn't believe these places are cultish, a family with a very well-known name was actually "guilted" into sending their kids to SGG. It was so bad that they ended up caving because the guilt associated with their name was something like,"IF you will not send your family here, how can we expect others to do so? They look at you as the example." They ended up moving so they wouldn't have to continue sending their kids to that cesspool. Even their own well-known family member commented that there is something devilish going on at that place (not in reference to the priests specifically, but to the scandals).

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    7. Well, someday, you might make the name of that "well-known" family public. After all, if Dolan & Co. are "black-mailing" them, what can Dolan really do to you (or them) if it got out? Dannie has no "leverage" anymore. But whether it does or not, it really doesn’t matter in the long run: God will get even with Dannie & Co. – and it is consolation enough for us to know that most people are aware that they are evil men.

      And we heartily agree with you that “there is something devilish going on at that place” –

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    8. Any readers at SGG know exactly what family I'm referencing. They left years ago because they didn't want the guilt of those men trying to put their kids in the school. Yes, they caved for a year or two, but ultimately moved states away just to avoid the situation. Although I can't comment on their name, it is definitely a well known one.

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    9. Good. We respect your reasons for anonymity. Besides, Dolan is doing such a good job of destroying himself, there may be no "need" for "disclosure"!!

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    10. Watcher 6:22 AM

      LOL those are your examples? Those are all normal things that happen in all Catholic churches from NO, to SSPX, to Sede, etc. Churches need donations to operate…that is normal. Asking for those types of donations is normal. Keeping track of donations for tax purposes is normal. I am saying that SGG does not track donations that are not marked (i.e. cash) by the person as some protestant churches do require accounting per parishioner. A person could very easily attend SGG for 10 years, attend events to get free food, and never put a penny into the collection basket and never have a comment from anybody about it.


      Non appropriate attire would be ground to be escorted out depending on the level. I have seen several newcomers at SGG that were not dressed as they should and not escorted out, but I imagine at a point they would have to be told to cover up more and come back next week. You claim to have eye witness evident for everything, well I am eye witness evidence directly against this point. Obviously I cannot speak to all examples over all time, but I can speak to “typical” practice which you seem to never want to discuss….just the one offs to make your point.

      Also you can’t just keep repeating things back at me. I am not blinded by hatred and bitterness. I wasn’t even part of the split.

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    11. To extend my response at 4:52:

      I don’t waste my life week after week and year after year to blog about something like this. I have personally had disagreements with different priests over the years on various things, but I can still respect them and understand that there is still plenty I agree with even if not on all things. I would surely run a school differently and while how I would run it would make some happy I’m sure it would also make others unhappy. I would agree that screaming at students is not warranted, but I also won’t jump to pretending that it will damage students for life. I have seen my share as a student both in public and private school settings and somehow I don’t cry myself to sleep every night.

      Anon 3:23 PM

      People need to evaluate, make a decision, and be responsible for that decision. I have no problem with clergy trying to encourage parishioners to send their kids to the church run school. I also have no problem if the parents decide not to. I would have a huge problem if people were booted out of the church for not sending their kids to the church school, but this did not happen. (I have seen this happen at other trad churches though so I know it can)

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    12. To Anonymous June 25, 2017 at 12:29 PM

      I spoke to my friend that has attended SGG for over 20 years and they have no idea who you are talking about. I get not wanting to name names online and I agree with that. Can you give initials?

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    13. Sorry Anon, 12:29, I don't believe that your friend doesn't know. It was an obvious family name who attended begrudgely and left soon after by moving away.

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    14. To Anon. 4:42 PM:

      Regarding donations, other churches don’t operate that way.

      Regarding attire, I (and others) were there, and we saw people being escorted out. If you don’t believe our “eye witness” accounts, then we don’t believe yours. But half the parish believed us, because they left.

      Regarding your last two paragraphs: the fact that there are only nineteen students at SGG school (after all these years) is proof enough that the school is a failure. To repeat, HALF the parish (including SGG’s biggest benefactor) left because of the school. Rational people understand this. Why can’t you?

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    15. I didn't say I don't believe your account of somebody being escorted but said "Obviously I cannot speak to all examples over all time, but I can speak to “typical” practice". The reason general practice is important is one offs can happen for many reasons, an overzealous usher, an overzealous or new priest, etc. Anybody that spends any amount of time at SGG can see with their own eyes people are not being booted out.

      I agree it is not good ½ left. Some left due to the school issue, some left due to how the Clergy responded to Father Ramolla, some left for fake accusations of sites like this, some left due to other personal reasons. Many came back, many didn’t. Regardless of if 2% or 90% left you are making an appeal to popularity or authority of the many argument although in this case you are saying 50% which means 50% didn’t leave. I suppose by your logic you should be with the Novus Ordo since they have the majority? If 90% of the parish stayed would that have made you wrong in your mind?

      Bottom line, stuff happened, people got upset, many overreacted (on both sides), some of the more obsessive bunch got more people riled up to a ridiculous level. Many split off and then what? Oh ya they had another split a little while later.

      The way things are written on this site would not be appropriate even if talking about a convicted murderer that admitted it. Stating your case and listing facts is one thing, but your gutter trash way of attacking these things is never acceptable or appropriate. It only feeds no our darker natures.

      While I’m sure you consider me a brainless SGG zealot, in reality I have a lot of disappointment in how the clergy handled the split, however, I also understand they are human and were being ruthlessly attacked with accusations across the board, many even you, I think, would agree were out of line and false…and they responded. I would like to think I would have handled things better myself, but I have never been in the situation and I am not a Saint. I don’t know why people blow these things up into such huge things to the point of trying to “starve the beast” as you say. People would be better off do individually go to the horse’s mouth and speak with the players involved. I’m sure if things were really that bad your buddy Father Hall would have left sooner on his own.

      Other than the typical nit-pickery, do you have any new issues with SGG since 2009?

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    16. To Anon. 8:04 PM PM:

      The last sentence in your response says it all: “Other than the typical nit-pickery, do you have any new issues with SGG since 2009?” First, it is an admission that there were “issues” prior to (and during) 2009. Second, it shows that you haven’t been “paying attention since 2009,” because there have been plenty of “issues” since then. (And no, we don’t have the space to repeat them here. Read our previous posts to find out.)

      But, whether there have been “new issues” or not, the “old” issues alone are enough to prove that Dolan and Cekada are scoundrels. (And the “new issues” since then continue to prove it.) We know that we will never convince you – but we don’t need to. By your response, you are helping us to convince everyone else to stay away from the SGG cesspool; and for that, we thank you.

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    17. Correction on response to "Anon. 4:42 PM": It wasn't 4:42 PM, but 4:52 PM (a typo!)

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    18. Also, to Anon. 4:56 PM: Your response is nonsense. You know full well that there was MORE than simply "screaming at children." And don't waste your time (and ours) by responding with any more of your lies.

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    19. The problem anon, is that waiting to get it from the horse's mouth means you need to be victimized in order to learn. I prefer to avoid venomous snakes, and I know what they look like. I don't need to get bitten first. I understand that you homeschooled your kids, as I do with mine, so there was insulation, but honestly why would anyone want to simply be around clergy who you wouldn't trust your kids to? Once I learned of the school scandal, I knew I could never stay with such people. I don't want a child of mine to be some future casualty.

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  9. On behalf of my large family who are looking to relocate to a chapel in Ohio to get away from the bright lights of NYC. we THANK YOU. SGG was one of the Chapels we were looking into, but after finding and reading all the old posts, we have crossed SGG off our list as we did MHT. Can you recommend another Chapel that could accommodate our very large professional family>

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    1. I would recommend instead of going through the garbage you find on this blog that you actually take a trip and visit SGG and stay after mass and talk to a bunch of the parishioners. You will find them friendly and very different than portrayed on this website. If you want a quick litmus test see how they blasted SGG for hosting an after mass luncheon in the social hall. These nutjobs went on and on about how horrible it was that SGG would have old people playing bingo. They claimed it was all a money making scheme when in reality (I was actually there) it was just a bunch of good trads having lunch and talking and playing some games. No money making, not evil intent.

      Also even if they had done a fundraiser I would have zero problem with that…it is a normal thing for churches to do.
      Also many that split off and started a new church had another split not long after that they don’t like to talk about. Go to the horse’s mouth and make your own decision don’t let the poison on this website influence you.

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    2. Anon. 8:01 PM, it is your post that is garbage, not our website. We back up whatever we say with facts, not “garbage.”

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    3. Anon 7:20, please do yourself a favor and ask one of the many, many, many families who have left SGG and MHT why these places are NOT catholic. Don't even waste your time going to the places, they are both very cold, hateful places, unless you have a name and money.

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    4. There are several other trad chapels in cincinnati. Do your research! Listen to their online sermons. Talk to some parishioners.

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    5. Indeed, there are many; and the best of the lot is Infant of Prague Chapel in Liberty Township (Fr. Bernard Hall). (Copy praguechapel.net into your browser to find link.)

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    6. As someone late to the Sedevacantist hypothesis, I've been to about every trad parish in Cincinnati over the last decade. Never before within traditionalism have I seen such alarming behavior until I went to sede parishes.

      SGG does welcome everybody, but they just want your money, and it is pretty obvious after you've been there a few Sundays. The Reader and Watcher exagerate to my estimation. Most Churches only care about money, too. But I refuse to associate with them. Spend some time a sggscandal.info.

      Immaculate Conception in Norwood seriously reminds me of a cattle confined feeding operation. A herd of solemn mumbling people in a dim, vast barn being fed anti-Thuc, exclusionary spew along with ranting about altar boys showing up late. Oh, and if you were baptized after 1970, better get that re-done. You're possibly a heathen!

      Infant of Prague Chapel is a residential home with enough room for about a dozen people, unfotunately. Fr. Hall has another parish in Urbana OH which is larger.

      There is also Ramolla's parish and a CMRI chapel in Lebanon, OH.

      Of course SSPX is in Walton, KY, and there is Sacred Heart in Camp Washington and Old St. Mary's in Over The Rhine and FSSP in Brookvilke, IN if you can tolerate Bergoglio's face leering at you as you enter and leave.

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    7. You’re right about the “alarming behavior” part. These various trad groups bad-mouthing one another reminds me of a bunch of arguing old biddies, all “disqualifying” one another for a variety of petty reasons. The only one NOT fitting into that category (other than FSSP and SSPX) is Fr. Hall. And, as you pointed out, his Infant of Prague Chapel is unfortunately very small. Perhaps one day he will be invited to become the pastor of another (larger) chapel in the Cincinnati area (as he was in Urbana).

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    8. Watcher, this may be the first thing you have written that I actually mostly agree with. (the churches bashing each other) I hope you have permission from Father Hall to support him since having your support may turn off a normal level headed person that reads this site. You are so over the top that you condemn yourself with only your own writing.

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    9. Anon. 5:33 PM, you must be referring to yourself.

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    10. Part of the problem is there are too many sedes in da 'nati. It's like a big turf war only they're fighting over the families (livestock). The most ruthless and agressive ranchers win. The just and kind work out their salvation.

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  10. AnonymousJune 24, 2017 at 1:12 PM

    Stated the Following:
    "While you may not agree with the level of discipline brought for some offenses, and I might even agree with you depending on what it is, I don’t believe any trad priest as a matter of practice condones students watching porn. I will even give you that a priest may decide for whatever reason to overlook a particular offense at a particular time and this may or may not be correct depending on the situation, but you strongly imply in your writings that the SGG clergy condone this as a practice and that is simply not correct. Also it is a good thing since SGG is not a cult they don’t require parishioners to send their children to the school so if parents feel the priest are too strict or too soft they can decide not to send them."

    I am glad to see that you stated this as your personal belief, however like some people who believe the earth is Flat the fact is: the earth is not flat, and the practices of what was done in SGG are true. While I know it is hard to believe, it does not change the Fact that what is stated on this blog is the absolute truth. While certain families were allowed to be boys others were not, and those who were not were severely punished by the Principal. Needless to say that all of the Lotarski boys fell into that Category of " BOYS WILL BE BOYS", and therefore their father the Principal did not impose a punishment on them.

    Please bear in mind the whole ordeal that was done to the teacher was done by one of the Lotarski boys. That was the final straw that broke the camels back and destroyed SGG. To the credit of this boy, he personally came to the home of the teacher to apologize for his horrible actions and his lies. That would make DOLAN the biggest Liar of them all, as he fired the teacher, while believing the lies of the student, knowing all along he was lying, according to this boy.

    So you can believe what you want, the truth speaks for itself, and so does the evidence. Obviously, you were not around, or knew nothing of the ordeal so many endured for the sake of justice. Believe it or not Priests do sin, and there are evil priests out there. IF you doubt that one just look at ROME. If Rome could fall do you really believe that the devil is not among us? Even Christ had His Judas! Think about it, nothing is perfect in this world.

    IT was Fr. Cekada who called the Dept of Homeland Security on the teacher and another priest. Then boasted how the teacher would never come back into the country. Well God had other plans, and the Teacher/Priest, not only got back into the Country, but now is studying to become a US Citizen.

    What Man Proposes, God Disposes!

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    1. VISA sponsors are required upon a “material change" to the terms and conditions of an approved VISA to notify the appropriate U.S. authorities. Funny how what you say is true, yet not quite the whole story. Unless of course I am mistaken and SGG was not the sponsor to these men?

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  11. It was Fr, Cekada who was supposed to be “taking care of the teacher’s ‘papers,’” but didn’t. (He had years to do it, but never “got around to it” -- a favorite “control tactic” of SGG’s cult-masters -- to make sure that one “did as they bid.”) Just thought we’d add that, just in casae your comment was “not quite the whole story.”

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    1. So if that is the case then your beef would be not what Father C did after the fact, but that he didn’t do things before the split ever happened. They are different. I guess precision isn’t important to you “facts”.

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    2. Not so. Our “beef” (as you put it) with him is about many, many things that he’s done – before and after. (And if you were a regular reader of our blog, you’d know that.) But you probably are, aren’t you (in which case, precision is not important to you).

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    3. I am not a regular reader, but started looking at posts recently after stumbling across the blog. I know that your beef is with many things, however my post was only making a particular point to point out just one case of how you dishonestly use “facts”.

      I am curious, what would you consider some of the positive qualities the SGG clergy have? Are you able to separate the things you disapprove of with things that are innocuous or even praiseworthy?

      The Watcher certainly favors redirection and repetition or just saying the same thing back to an opposing comment vs handling questions straight on. The quintessential “I know you are but what am I?”

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    4. We don’t “dishonestly use ‘facts.’” But you dishonestly accuse us of that. You make an accusation without any proof – but your saying it doesn’t make it true – which it isn’t. And by making your false accusation, it is you who are “dishonestly using facts.” Everything we said can be backed up by eyewitnesses. And it’s funny that you should accuse us of “redirection and repetition or just saying the same thing back to an opposing comment vs. handling questions straight on” -- because that is exactly what you are doing.

      And, to satisfy your “curiosity” (wanting to know if we think that any of SGG clergy’s have “good points”), we’d have to say that Dannie has charisma – but that’s as far as his “good points” go. To categorize his bad points, we’d need much more space.

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  12. The Watcher wrote: Whatever one’s opinion of Protestantism, one must admire their “marketing” skills.

    Trust you to come up with that one.
    No. We do not have to admire skills that are used to do the work of Satan.

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    1. Anon. 12:38 AM:

      Trust you to come up with that lame response. Haven’t you ever heard of “giving the devil his due”? One can admire someone’s “skill” at something without endorsing what that someone does. You are trying to insinuate that we endorse Protestantism. WE DON’T. You know that, but you willfully misconstrue what we’re saying, just to foist your false logic on us (for all the world to see).

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    2. No Watcher, I just note how you will give the Devil and Prots their due but not the sede clergy.

      Are you a sede?

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    3. Anon., you STILL willfully misconstrue what we say.

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  13. Have not read all the comments since I last posted. Yet. Am the one who posted the MHT link to 'Important Announcement' and wrote 'comments welcome' as if I not even born Catholic could be in a position to field them (!) Am taking a breather before considering diving in again because I really do want to know what people think about that Announcement... and introducing another angle.

    It is true in my perception that Bp. Dolan does want to preserve the old devotions. This must be placed on the record - noticed by me because of my own history. There is no doubt about it he does. There have been some additions as a donkey isn't usually a part of the scene historically for Advent/Christmas except in pictures or figurines in crèches.

    We had a crèche; we had Advent boughs and one of the candles was pink just as it should be to follow color changes in Catholicism - a remnant in a mixed-up hurt ground up form.

    As a granddaughter of Lutheran minister who came over from Germany to Canada into a seminary there to teach or helped found it - it is not clear - was deprived of devotion, and devotions, and always had the love of them - from the days when couldn't pray the rosary as my best friend did, through the time of my appreciation for the Book of Common Prayer - which is a watered down, hurt form of a daily office in Catholicism I learned from Bp. Dolan in a podcast on the history of Catholicism in England - one of his best in my view - was brought up in the Episcopal Church.

    SO.... as with everything there is the veneer of hurt and pain and insecurity and, and, and, placed upon genuine. He Does want to preserve devotional behavior that disappears and is replaced by nothing good over time. As we see in the Divine Mercy prayers which have, for some, question marks.

    As someone who sees the situation at SGG as clearly as possible given my own limitations as a result of studying this site and sggscandal which I think originated from the writer of this site - the angle seen as a result of my own history is nevertheless true.

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    1. He wants to preserve the old traditions but feels just like VC2/N.O. that HIS additions are fine - such as a donkey, or a sung mass by a single priest, or eliminating Leonine prayers. What good is "preserving old devotions" if heart is black as sin? Just an easily broken veneer. I don't know how you can believe you see the situation as "clearly as possible" when you ignore big elephants like firing and deporting priest you ordained and other innocent man simply for standing up for the truth. Woe to you who call good evil and evil good -- don't you think that applies to Dolan & Cekada? Surely something is more important to them than going to heaven (saving their own souls) not to mention saving other peoples' souls (feeding sheep) and giving glory to God (which are the primary duties of a priest).

      P.S. That woe would apply to you too. Read Psalm 1 & Proverbs 1. Don't hang out w/the wicked. They're corrupt morality and hypocrisy will rub off on you--and God will hold you accountable for their deeds.

      http://biblehub.com/drb/psalms/1.htm

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    2. Hello 9:52 am - there is no danger of the p.s. for me.

      I am being protected and guided as always in my life. Finding this site was a part of that.

      Also: Ohio was never a first choice - as a state to me it is unappealing.

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  14. Watcher, are you a sedevacantist?

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  15. Can someone tell me how Sanborn's mother and female cook were allowed to live at the seminary? It is a seminary, right?

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  16. Can someone also tell me if it is normal to build a convent exactly adjacent to a seminary?

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    1. Yes, this is normal.

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    2. No this is not normal. Even less normal is to have a former "nun" have a lavish wedding in the "seminary" chapel attended by her former "sisters" and served by the "seminarians" with Big Don in his tallest miter. What kind of message does that send to the boys and girls ? Yes, right, if that doesn't work out come back and get married - oh, but she was the blood sister of the "bishop-in-waiting" so money talks.

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  17. Why do the majority of Sanborn's seminarians leave?

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    1. This is also normal. Traditionally many seminarians do not make it through.

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  18. Why did Sanborn leave Michigan for ONE priest when everything was paid for and he even had bought land to build here?

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    1. You should ask him.

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  19. Also, please tell me why everywhere Sanborn goes, he eventually leaves and not under the best of circumstances?

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  20. Why is everyone so scared to speak out about Sanborn? Is he collecting information on them and threatening them?

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  21. Came back here after reading all 36 comments in the April post http://thelaypulpit.blogspot.com/2017/04/whos-fool.html

    I'm the protestant born one who's been commenting. The one who defended Bp. Dolan to the extent that it had seemed he does have a desire to preserve old devotions.

    I'm the one who is planning a big move as in thousands of miles. I'm the kind of person this site is made for - the one who needs the information to keep from wasting time and money.

    I've been reading for a few days with the greatest interest. Pivarunas.... information about him just drives me deeper into myself - in a good sense - I won't try to explain. It is a prayerful place. Yes; I believe it all - what was written and not written. But not because I had any suspicion before reaching that thread.

    TRRadio got me slightly acquainted with the priest Fr. Michael Oswalt, who rejected MHT as a seminary and chose CMRI when he wanted to be reordained some years back. Most of the action at TRRadio is with MHT and SGG clergy. It is a model I do not think will continue to work for very long for the founder.

    I surely do not want to find myself anywhere where it even occurs to me to pray for the souls, as in saving them, of the clergy running the venue. If I do, it's on the move again.

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  22. Taking Pistrina's lead, we have decided to start moderating comments as well. We will be monitoring our website several times a day to ensure that they are handled in an expeditious manner.

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