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Saturday, May 20, 2017

But What About SSPX and FSSP?

In our last article (dealing with navigating the “minefield” of Tradistan  -- click here), one will notice that we made no mention of the SSPX and FSSP.  That was deliberate.  And the reason that we didn’t mention them is that, because they are part of the “”conciliar” Church, many traddies consider them to be not “traditional” – and we felt that dealing with that “issue” would have made the article prohibitively long.  But we will deal with it now.

The “conventional wisdom” in TradWorld is that one must be outside the conciliar Church to be “traditional” -- and that anyone within it is ipso facto “in communion with Rome,” and thus not validly “traditional.”  Furthermore, the cult-masters would have us believe that the SSPX and FSSP are conniving, evil men who are out to “sell us down the river.”  Nothing could be farther from the truth.  The clergy of the SSPX and FSSP – almost to a man – DEPLORE the “reforms” of Vatican II (and the decrees of Franken-pope), and are doing everything they can to resist those reforms, and to save Catholicism. 

But the SSPX and FSSP, unlike the cult-masters, have chosen to remain in the institutional Church, and to fix it from within, while the cult-masters have left the Church, and are trying to re-invent it from without.   The former, unlike the cult-masters, have NOT decreed that “the chair of Peter is vacant” – because they know that they haven’t the authority to render such a judgment, any more than the cult-masters do.  (And, having left the Church, the cult-masters have forfeited any magisterial authority they might have possessed anyway.)

It is the cult-masters of Tradistan, not the SSPX and FSSP, who are “selling us down the river.”  The former have set themselves up as “the Church,” inventing new “doctrines” and issuing promulgations as if they were “the pope.”  But in doing so, what they have done is to invent a new counterfeit “Catholicism,” where appearances have replaced substance, where arbitrary, self-serving “rules” have replaced real Catholic morality, and where double-standard hypocrisy reigns supreme.  According to the cult-masters, one must be a “sedevacantist” to be “Catholic”; and going to an “una cum” Mass now counts as a mortal sin.  Yet watching porn (and animal-torture) videos and fornicating with (and impregnating) a fellow student are just cases of “boys being boys”; and having one’s wife dehydrated to death is “a husband’s right under God.”  Such is the kind of insanity that passes for “morality” under the cult-masters.

The SSPX and FSSP, on the other hand, issue no such prohibitions on being “Catholic.”  Under them, one’s opinion on “sedevacantism” or una cum Masses is NOT used as a criterion to determine one’s “Catholicity,” nor is anyone disqualified on that account -- and it is certainly not used as a pretext to deny people the sacraments.  They don’t try to pass off  una cum” and “sedevacantism” as dogmas – because they know that they’re not dogmas, but merely opinions – authorized by no one – and, as such, carry no weight.  

But, more importantly, with the SSPX and FSSP, one gets real Catholic morality, not some counterfeit, make-it-up-as you-go-along claptrap from one of Tradistan’s tinhorn “theologians.”  And that’s because their clergy are properly formed, with a real education at a real, accredited seminary – not some janitor-in-training apprenticeship from one of Tradistan’s trade schools.  And, because the SSPX and FSSP are part of the institutional Church – and thus answerable to a hierarchy – they must be fiscally accountable, and not use the collection basket as their own personal bank account, as the answerable-to-nobody cult-masters do.  They will not fleece their sheep for money to go on “apostolates” to posh destinations, nor will they solicit “donations” for questionable “improvements.”  In short, they will “play by the rules” – and not make up their own.

Lastly, there is the matter of the SSPX’s and FSSP’s priestly orders.  The cult-masters’ would have us believe that they are not valid.  But their claims are just that – claims – made by men who, again, have absolutely NO authority (or justification) to make them.  Rather, it is the trad “clergy” whose orders should be “suspect.”  And, speaking of “suspect,” an even bigger question mark is Traddieland’s “bishops.”  The truth is, for the most part, Traddieland hasn’t any bishops – at least legitimate ones -- because, first, the title of “bishop” can only be lawfully bestowed by papal mandate; and, second, to exercise real juridical power, a bishop must have a “See” (diocese) – neither of which applies in Tradistan.  Most traditional “bishops” are, at best, illicit.  And, at worst, they can be like “one-hand” Dan: invalid.

But getting back to the question: are the SSPX and FSSP (and their clergy) valid?  Until anyone with real authority (and jurisdiction) can prove otherwise, yes they are.  And are their Masses (and sacraments) valid?  By all means!  And, given the choice, one is far better off going to them than to one of Dannie’s, Donny’s, or Pivvy’s “clergy.”  At the SSPX or FSSP, you’ll get real sacraments.  But, in addition to that, you’ll get someone with real moral expertise -- who will render real moral judgments – and render them impartially, not selectively, as the cult-masters do.  You’ll also most likely get someone who is selfless – who is not out to exploit the parishioners for his own material gain, as Tradistan’s self-serving predators do.

And, contrary to what the cult-masters try to tell people, the clergy of SSPX and FSSP are good men, genuinely interested – not in people's money, like the cult-masters are – but in their souls.  And also contrary to what Dannie, Tony, or Donny claims, the majority of them, in our opinion, will NOT “compromise their principles” and “sell their souls to Rome.”  (In fact, they categorically loathe Franken-pope – but, again, they feel they must “resist from within,” not “fly the coup,” as the cult-masters have done.)  And, besides, when it comes to “compromising principles,” who are people like Dannie and Tony to be pointing their finger at anyone about that?  They – who justified the execution of Terri Schiavo, and who condoned the blatant immorality (and cruelty) at SGG’s school – who are these vermin to talk about “principles”?1

So, for those who are “looking for a priest” – and that, of course, includes those “only looking for the sacraments” – the SSPX and FSSP are eminently qualified – certainly more so than the unschooled trolls of Tradistan.  With Dannie, Big Don, or Pivvy, one gets “copious quantities” of sugary sanctimony (Dannie), hellfire and brimstone (Big Don), and moral ambiguity (Pivvy) – and, of course, lots of “Bergoglio bashing” – but no sound moral judgment.  With the SSPX or FSSP, one will get “the real thing”: a priest who, unlike the self-serving, double-standard phonies of Tradistan, will be one with real moral fiber and real Catholic teaching.  Given a choice, we heartily recommend one of SSPX’s or FSSP’s over one of SGG’s, MHT’s, or Mater Dei’s hatchlings. 2

The cult-masters (as we said earlier) claim that the SSPX and FSSP “are selling us down the river.”  Whether or not something like that ultimately happens, remains to be seen.  But one thing is for sure: Dannie, Tony, and Big Don already have “sold us down the river.”  And they are using any “technicality” they can to divide people, and to convince them that nothing but their particular cult is the one and only “true path to heaven.”  They want division, not unity -- and what they really care about is not “validity,” “legitimacy,” or anything like that, but MONEY.  These lepers are interested not in your souls, but in your bank accounts.  So, “bottom line,” avoid them like the plague – because they ARE the plague!

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1 If the cult-masters were really interested in “reforming the Church,” they would have led selfless, unworldly lives – not the extravagant, exploitative life-styles that they do.  Also, they would not have condoned the blatant cruelty and immorality that has gone on at the cult centers.  And as for “compromising principles,” the list of “compromised principles” at the cult centers is almost ENDLESS – as is their self-serving greed and their double-standard hypocrisy.  For the cult-masters to look down their noses at ANYONE is a classic case of “the pot calling the kettle black.”

2 To those who would have us believe that the CMRI “is not so bad as SGG or MHT,” events prove otherwise: there have been many “horror stories” reported by former Mater Dei seminarians about both its academics and its “extra-curricular activities.”  Let us remind them, too, that Pivarunas, like Dannie and Big Don, has shown more than once that he really has no principles.  For instance, in addition to saying nothing against Cekada’s dreadful justification of Terri Schiavo’s murder, the Pivmeister basically did the same thing in principle by sanctioning the harvesting of a “donor” organ for a heart transplant (for the daughter of one of his rich parishioners).

He didn’t even have the moral judgment to realize that removing a vital organ from someone for “donation” ends that person’s life.  Like Terri’s dehydration, removing one’s heart is the proximate cause of death for that person.  In short, it is murder.  Pivvy “approved” this because, to repeat, the organ “recipient” was the daughter of one of his wealthy (and generous) parishioners.  Should this be the attitude of a Catholic, much less, of the “superior general” of a supposedly “Catholic” organization?  We think not.


The myth of “brain death” was (and still is) used as a justification for “organ donation.”  But, medical experts (and theologians) now agree that “brain death” is not a valid term.  Many people thought to be “brain dead” have come back to make a full recovery; and it is now widely recognized that “brain death” was just a convenient pretext ginned up to justify the taking of one’s life for purposes of harvesting organs.  And, just as Checkie claimed that keeping Terri alive was “a grave financial burden on society,” so too was Pivvy’s thinking along the same “financial” lines when he approved that transplant.  Money, not morality, was Pivvy’s “bottom line” here too.

46 comments:

  1. Thank You very very much for one of the best articles.We once were sedes(CMRI) and due to ongoing scandals at Mt St Michael finally left in 2007 to the FSSP here in Idaho(where there are other former Mount faithful)You need to read the book-My journey through a Catholc cult by a former CMRI "nun"It was well overdue.She and another "nun" try to address their concerns to Pivarunas about major problems(convent problems,education problems,Fr Louis going out late at night in his car with a certain "nun",etc)Pivarunas was not prepared to do anything saying his hands were tied.He could understand if she decided to leave CMRI.Our family are well aware there are major problems(moral) with Pivarunas and Fr louis was well aware of this.Look at all the "seminarians" and "nuns" who have left over the years.If you ask anyone still at the Mount about this,their goofty answer will be,they have the problem,not CMRI.

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    1. You’re very welcome! Actually, our article was long overdue. Also, we have suspected all along (and had plenty of anecdotal third-party testimony to that effect) that CMRI was every bit as bad as Dannie’s and Big Don’s cesspools. But, unlike those lepers and their clueless supporters, we deal in FACTS, not in hearsay; so, we are reluctant to print anything that we cannot back up with hard evidence. (The other problem is that we just don’t have the time to “cover all the bases.” But when we can, we will.)

      Over the past dozen or so years, it has become overwhelming obvious to us that the “bishop-led” cults are nothing but SCAMS run by parasitic con men; and, thank God, it has become obvious to you as well. Keep “spreading the word,” and we will do the same!

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    2. Yet you always seem to omit one bishop led cult from your analysis...Bp. Kelly's. I've found SSPV to be far worse than the "Thuc" line with their condemnatory rhetoric and exclusionary positions.

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    3. Yet, I've also never seen any information where any of their priests were money seeking, glory seeking, swindlers, or any scandals within their schools? By their fruits you shall know them

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    4. Let us say to Anon. 7:39 PM that SSPV is not without its “issues.” In our opinion, Kelly is a “looney tune”; and we think that SSPV’s condemnation “Thuc” line is (as we’ve commented before) a bit of “internecine in-fighting.” SSPV has no authority to rule on them (or any other trad clergy). We hear that SSPV’s school (at Immaculate Conception in Cincinnati) is good, and that their clergy (there at IC) don’t seem to be as “worldly” as Dannie, Donny, and PIvvy. Other than that, we don’t know too much about them. And without hard data, we cannot in good conscience say anything about them, either good or bad – so we haven’t. “The other thing” is that we are so busy with Dannie et al, we haven’t the time to devote to everyone else – that would be a full=time job!!

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  2. Anonymous May 20, 2017 at 3:58 PM

    The non-sede clergy have had more than their share of scandals.


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    1. Anon. 7:55:

      Firstly, your comment is an assertion without proof, and therefore NOTHING. Secondly, even if “non-sede clergy have had more than their share of scandals” (of which you have offered no proof), that still wouldn’t change the FACT that “sede clergy” HAVE had “more than their share.” Go back to where you came from, and take a course in logic, dummkopf.

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  3. IF those of you who run the campaign here and on the affiliated blog are really the intellectual and moral giants with such finely-tuned Catholic sense that you portray, and IF the sede clergy are really as blatantly bad as you claim, why did it take you years to work it out?

    And why are the people who are not as intelligent as you scum if they have not worked it out?

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    1. Your comment is so anal, it hardly deserves a response. But we’ll respond anyway. Firstly, we never claimed that we are “intellectual and moral giants.” We merely claim – with DOCUMENTED PROOF – that the cult-masters are moral lepers. And the reason that it took us “years to work it out” is simple: one does not find something out until one is exposed to it. Also, one cannot come to a conclusion on something (or someone) until one is totally CERTAIN – especially about “men of the cloth.” That takes time. (And if you can't see that, then you're either hopelessly IGNORANT and/or willfully obdurate.

      Secondly, in our article, we never labeled those who “have not worked it out” as “scum” – nor, to our knowledge, in any of our other articles as well. “Brain-dead” perhaps, but not “scum.” (We reserve that epithet for the cult-masters.) But let us say this: those who have seen proof of what the cult-masters are, and who have willfully chosen to IGNORE that proof, ARE scum.

      Go back and read our past articles (and those on the “sggscandal.com” website). Go back and talk to the DOZENS of people who have been victimized by the cult-masters (especially at SGG’s school). Go back and look up what happened to Terri Schiavo. Go back and talk to the parents of the little girl who was killed by McMahon (or to the woman who was impregnated by him). Go back and research the whole LITANY of abuses that these lepers are guilty of. Then go back and BEG GOD’S FORGIVENESS for having been the fool that you are.

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  4. Watcher,

    Your harsh, uncharitable tone and name calling to those who do not agree with all you write is very revealing.

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    1. Anon., your HYPOCRISY is even MORE revealing. It is not uncharitable to point out the TRUTH about evil men. It is YOU who have been uncharitable and harsh with your false accusations and your unwarranted charge of name-calling. If you can disprove any of the facts about Schiavo et al, then do so. But you CAN'T, can you. So, since you have no counter proof to offer, you instead resort to what you accuse me of: name-calling. Anon., you are running on "intellectual empty." You are indeed a pathetic creature.

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    2. The WatcherMay 21, 2017 at 7:31 PM,

      Now we see more childish, uncharitable name-calling and insults from you.

      It is indeed revealing, and not good for you personally, or for your credibility.

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  5. Well, Anon., you’re still “running on empty.” First off, you preemptively accused me of “name-calling” with your assertion that I called people “scum.” I did not -- nor was the word “scum” ever used in the article. Secondly, like so many of the cult-masters’ “apologists” who cannot refute the obvious truth of what we say, you make up imaginary “faults” to try to derail the conversation – like accusing me you me of being “harsh” and “uncharitable.” It is you, Anon., who are being harsh and uncharitable here – as well as being a liar and a hypocrite.

    Yes, I admit to having been “short” with you here. I don’t have much of a tolerance for ignorant behavior – especially when it’s willful. But it is not “uncharitable” to defend oneself against an untruthful accusation, as I have done with you. (Our Lord did the same with the Pharisees, because they too were liars and hypocrites. Would you accuse Him of being “uncharitable” too?) Anon., you seem to have a problem with rational thought (and with logic). We suggest that you take a remedial course in both.

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  6. Clearly, the author(s) of this blog are not very familiar with most traditionalists and the FSSP in particular. I’ve been a “traditionalist catholic” for virtually all of my adult life moving from a stark raving mad Novus Ordo parish where liturgical dancing, togas, and pool-party adult baptisms were the norm to “indult Catholicism” (St. John Cantius, the ISCKSP, the FSSP, and an ordinary diocesan Indult parishes) and briefly over to the SGG once I came upon sedevacantism. Thanks largely to this blog and Pistrina’s, and talking to some weary souls at SGG, I now go to other sedevacantists or the SSPX.
     

    But in no way to do I fail to make a distinction between the FSSP and the SSPX. However well formed, educated, accredited, and otherwise “good” the FSSP may be, and I think they are all those things, that does not make them priests. Sacramental theology is what it is, and if the form isn’t there for the new rite of episcopal consecration, the “bishops” who ordained most FSSP priests coming out of their seminary are doubtfully priests because the bishop is himself doubtful. Obviously, the handful of SSPX “defectors” in the FSSP ordained by Lefebrve (except maybe one-hand Dolan) or another valid bishop are priests, and I went to a FSSP parish staffed by such a priest. When he was shuffled off after the normal 7 year term, and replaced with a probable layman and his Legionary (their scandal and money grubbing make SGG look benign) sidekick, I shuffled off, too. And I am absolutely convinced (personally) of this because when I’ve confessed to very old priests, or to otherwise certainly valid priests, I overcame the sin that I was not able to overcome in years of confession to doubtful priests. I would never cite this as proof, and I certainly don’t possess the authority to say whether anyone is valid or not, but reason has its own authority and we are required to use it. I happen to think the arguments against the new rite of Episcopal consecration are convincing enough for me to act (moral certitude). Furthermore, every FSSP priest delivers his annual homily affirming the validity of Vatican II and its teachings, shills for the diocesan shakedowns, and at least one of their priests advised as Bp. Privarunas did regarding heart transplant because the FSSP, like all indult groups, ultimately goes with guidance from the Vatican on matters of doubt. All of these are things many traditionalists may find difficult.

    The common thread of traditionalism has nothing at all to do with Sedevacantism; it is about the traditional Latin mass (or Tridentine rite), and most of it ultimately derives from the theological opinions of a few laymen, principally Michael Davies. Many of these opinions are rooted in gallicanism (resistance) or Newmanism and are flawed and unorthodox in my opinion. This is about the only way a sedeplenists can make sense of things. I think.

    Traditionalism is a big tent, and most “trads” don’t even know who Dolan/Cekada/Sanborn/Pivarunas are let alone care what they think. There are open sedevacantists, like John Lane, who go to SSPX. They are closet sedevacantists in the indult milieu. There are sedevacantists who condemn non-sedevacantists (una-Cum issue, etc.) and there are others, like me, who recognize that sedevacantism as only a probable hypothesis, the one I think with the most evidence and logic behind it, but I would never say that resignationists (Barnhardt, who thinks BXVI is reigning) or well-meaning sedeplenist trads are non-Catholic or doing harm, or that many Novus Ordos are non-Catholic or are doing harm (many are simply grossly ignorant). I just think a great many of them are going to pantomimes of masses and confessing to laymen, and therefore are cut off from that supernatural grace. In many, many ways I hope I am wrong, and that everything is ok, but part of me thinks this is the most clever plot the devil has ever hatched—to hijack the institutional church, emplace false rites without sacramental efficacy, and drive the remnant underground.

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    1. Yes, Anon. 6:45 PM is right: we are not totally familiar with the FSSP, nor do we pretend to be. And it is quite possible that not every FSSP priest is a “good” priest. But what this writer can report is that, so far, every FSSP priest that he has met has been a “good” one – and eminently well-formed and well-qualified at that. And as for the validity of their orders, who has the authority to rule on that? No one. Even the “leading theologians of the day” cannot render binding judgments. They can only give opinions – and opinions have no binding force "ecclesiastically" or otherwise). And in this writer’s opinion, until someone authoritatively rules otherwise, I will take them to be valid.

      Let me say too that the FSSP is not without its “money-grubbing” clergy. But the priest whom Anon. cited as an example was – as Anon. said – replaced. That is, the FSSP "has a mechanism in place" to rectify such situations. And, granting that such "mechanisms" don't always work, at least it's there. At the cult centers, no such mechanism exists: the cult-masters are answerable to no one, and can do “whatever they please.” (And, I seriously doubt if the “scandal and money-grubbing” that Anon. mentioned “make SGG look benign.” SGG’s “scandal” was bad enough that half the parish left. I doubt if that happened at the FSSP parish in question.)

      But, regardless of the severity of what happened at that FSSP church, an example of “a bad apple” at one FSSP church does not mean that “the rest of the barrel is rotten” – nor can it be used as a justification for implying as such. The same, by the way, can be said about “Traddieland.” Just because SGG (and MHT) is “a bad apple,” doesn’t mean that others are bad (although our suspicions are that CMRI has at least one “bad apple”: its leader). But, whatever these three are, there are many good men to be counted among the "independents."

      From what Anon. has written, it is obvious that we have differing opinions on “validity” – especially regarding the FSSP. And that’s okay: everyone is entitled to his own opinion. But one thing is for sure: the cult-masters are self-appointed entrepreneurs, answerable to nobody, and thus having unbridled power to do whatever they please – and they do. This is an undeniable fact – and it’s consequences have been devastating. And, until some accountability (plus “many other things”-- on which there are varying opinions as to what they are) is restored, Catholicism is certainly in trouble -- and all of us (including this writer) can agree with Anon. on that point.

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  7. Yes, SGG are a sorry lot, but that doesn't make other pastures greener. I've been down every trad avenue in the USA except CMRI's. They all have problems, heroes, villans...they are made of men, and we are all fallen.

    The FSSP and to a much greater degee Legionaries and Opus Dei (I was in there, too) make Dolan's money grubbary seem so infantile it comes off as genuine. Seriously. At least Dolan gives you some pancakes, chilli and plasic forks for your trouble. There are some exceedingly wealthy priests and affiliates in the FSSP, and your typical poor Ohio rite trash (a very unkind and uncharitable epithet your collegue Pistrina likes to hurl about) are just unimportant to them. At least Dolan is so desperate for $$$ it forces him to care (or pretend to).

    The FSSP only practices the Tridentine rite, in the end, for aesthetic reasons, and all of them agree that the Novus ordo cannot be held as defective let alone invalid. They all give their obligatory pro-Vatican II homily every year, usually around the Feast of Christ the King.

    And to the matter of authority. Certainly, in the present time no one has the authority to say what's so and not, but that doesn't change the truth. It may be centuries before we know if the novus ordo is valid or invalid, or if Dolan is a deacon or a bishop, but this doesn't mean we should just sit around passively. We are called to seek the truth, and that means, to me, going with the most logical and supported positions in absence of binding authority. It's your soul in peril when you confess to a layman, and it's your soul lacking the benefit of sacramental grace if the priest is truly a well intentioned layman. It's the choice we all must make.

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    1. Anon., nothing you say about the FSSP makes Dolan any better than the moral leper that he is. And your lumping the FSSP in with the Legionaries and Opus Dei (neither of whom the FSSP is affiliated with) does not add anything constructive to your arguments. You seem to imply that FSSP priests are bigger money grubbers than Dolan. That is an unfair (and inaccurate) insinuation.

      Your insinuation that their orders are invalid is also unfair and inaccurate; and your remark that “no one has the authority to say what's so and not, but that doesn't change the truth” is meaningless. Your insinuation here is that your “truth” is the real truth, and ours is not. Sorry, but that is only your opinion, with no proof (or authority) to back it up. And if your parenthetical “I was there too” means that you were involved in Opus Dei, then that really doesn’t say much for your judgment anyway.

      Despite your insinuations about FSSP clergy, all the FSSP priests that I have met – and that’s about a dozen or so -- have been selfless men, not “money grubbers,” and all morally upright – not worldly, duplicitous serpents like Dolan et al. And as far as some FSSP priests being wealthy, that’s no reflection on them or their order. There are many wealthy clergy, both Novus Ordo and “Traditional.” Being rich doesn’t necessarily make one bad; but getting rich at someone else’s expense, as Dolan and Sanborn have done – now that’s another story -- and worms like that deserve all the abuse we can heap on them. And as for Pistrina’s “rite trash” epithet, that is actually too good of a term for anyone who still follows Dolan & Co.

      Anon., you have your opinion; I have mine. I will not change yours, and you will not change mine. So be it.

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  8. The Watcher

    As a interesting question,over the years did Dolan/Cekada give details etc, of how many funds they had in the church bank accounts and where the funds were going.I know they sold St Clares and took it's funds.

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    1. Dolan and Cekada have never given details of their finances – and that’s the problem. We know that they pocketed the proceeds from the sale of St. Ckare’s in Columbus (iand confiscated its “building fund). And we also are aware that they have set up several “corporations” to “park” their money and/or hide it from public scrutiny – but we have no details, because they have published none.

      It would probably take a “Philadelphia lawyer” (and expensive investigative work) to sort out their labyrinthine finances, and we don’t have the time, the money, or the energy to do that. The only way to do something like that “cost-effectively” would be for a concerned parishioner to have SGG (or MHT, for that matter) audited by the public authorities. Perhaps, if that parishioner were a lawyer, he/she could find a way to do that.

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  9. You might want to watch video by John Berg head of FSSP b4 recommending
    (esp on the divine liturgy 13:38-23:09):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6vf7qjk8A8

    “the fundamental question is am I strong enough to do something that’s not going to be (unintelligible to me). And I think what’s most important to always remember about the extraordinary form is that it mass for the weak and not for the strong. Therefore there is no reason to be really proud that you attend the extraordinary form: it’s a reason to have great humility that you are so weak you need to be here; that you’re so lousy, that your faith is so weak that you need to have this form of the mass which has all of these prayers which are there to support your faith, that has all these gestures which are there to support your faith, what you really believe because it is those are what we really want to underline that it helps us with what we believe.” Then goes into what their children will notice: smells and bells not the gospel, not the sermon, not Jesus Christ’s sacrifice but smoke and bells! Then a spiel about boy playing mass kept his fingers together until his 2yr old brother washed them that teaches him about his 1st communion more than anything he’ll read in catechism. THEN sacrifice of choir, SACRIFICE of altar servers (still 0-zip-nada-re: Christ’s sacrifice) onto stemwinder: “holy week demands an incredible amount of work but when it’s done beautifully and when it’s done well it’s something which is really incredible and really is something which ought to to underly and to uh really be that support which should be there for our faith. Now this isn’t just something that is particular to the Fraternity of St. Peter. If you read the last book that the holy father wrote before he became the holy father, CRatz wrote a book that’s called, “the spirit of the liturgy.” And one of the chapters in it he makes a rather incredible claim well not an incredible—he makes an astounding claim. He says that in order to have a good society, you have to have a good liturgy. And he says if you don’t have good liturgy, you won’t have good society.” The son has to understand his relation to the father! That’s the problem! We need to understand how small we are in relation to God. Adoration needs to be done well in the parishes! Watch it yourself from 13:38 to 23:09. Not one bloody word that the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is the sacrifice of Jesus Christ for our sins at Calvary.

    @23:15 starts 3rd Pillar. 3rd pillar: we have a particular devotion to St. Peter and his successor (i.e. it is incumbent upon anybody at FSSP to accept Francis as the successor of St. Peter). At 32:54 don’t want to make sure everyone has the “Latin Mass” (no desire to give the sacraments to as many faithful as possible—do they even believe in the sacraments any more than CRatz?) see their role to “establish parishes” so that a limited number can have "full life" of the (protestant) church. @35- full life except for a school. @42 SSPX 3 gen later people don’t even know why they broke off simply “born into it” (is he talking SSPX or Lutherans & Anglicans). Have a different ministry than SSPX–don’t mind associating w/those who could endanger their souls (heretics?) as long as the children know it is winter in Minneapolis and wear their coats when they go outside (analogy made earlier). Cycling priests through assignments @46. (look at the bios.)
    http://www.stjosephrichmond.org/clergy
    http://www.stjosephrichmond.org/newcomers-guide
    Dr. Peter Kreeft's conversion to Catholicism from Protestantism
    http://www.stjosephrichmond.org/welcome-home

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  10. More on what liturgy is from FSSP Fr. Berg trained by lay catholics at St. Thos Aquinas College and then by Opus Dei cult: “It is perhaps not all too naive, then, on the part of St. Peter in today's gospel that he says to Our Lord, "Let us not go back down the mountain." Why head off to Jerusalem to have that suffering? Why not remain here, in all of the splendor and all of the glory? In his sermon for this passage of the Gospel, Cardinal Newman says that each and every one of us has to have that sentiment, "Lord, it is good for us to be here." That even if we can't make it to daily Mass, for example, that we have to, as Catholics, at least have the sentiment that this is our home, that this is where we belong, that it is good for us to be here, and that if we could set up a tent, we would remain here within it.”
    https://thomasaquinas.edu/news/very-rev-john-m-berg-fssp-93-our-home:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Berg_(priest)


    I didn’t watch this 2011 FSSP priest Latin Mass study video, but just moved to end. How can two forms mutually enrich each other @56:26: “if new mass were to adopt these liturgical principles in the external way that it is celebrated and the old mass was to get all the new saints on its calendar.” Then starts emoting how “huge” CRatz changing holy week prayers was—proves 1962’s a living liturgy (and can be destroyed at the wave of a FRatz)! @ 53 “If you’re a normal person who can stomach a little bit of nonsense & still keep your faith go to the novus ordo!” @57:41 he asks his own?: What about VC2? Then gives the FSSP propaganda
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_TNdD-o4SM

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  11. On this day five years ago Cardinal Mahony, then Archbishop of Los Angeles, and Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone, then an auxiliary bishop of San Diego, concelebrated the Dedication Mass for our College chapel. The next day, being a Sunday, Fr. John Berg, alumnus and superior general of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, offered Mass at 8 a.m. in the Extraordinary Form, with Bishop Cordileone assisting in choir. At 11a.m. that day, Bishop Cordileone offered a solemn sung Mass in the Ordinary Form with a memorable homily on the dual purposes of Thomas Aquinas College: that of Catholic spiritual formation and that of great books intellectual formation — a true liberal arts education in the fullness of the western tradition.
    https://thomasaquinas.edu/news/fr-illos-homily-solemnity-chapel-dedication


    Married "permanent deacons": From Rev Mr Anderson: My wife and I would like to extend our most heart felt gratitude for your kindness in remembrance of my ordination. It is the greatest of blessings to serve such a wonderful, spiritual people as you. I pray to be doing so for many years into the future. May God richly bless you all
    https://stfrancisdesalesparish.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/may5.pdf
    [NB: bulletin lists Married Permanent Deacon Rev. Mr. Doug Anderson (AoA), but not on the AofA website as far as I can determine]
    https://archatl.com/offices/permanent-diaconate/our-deacons/
    https://www.fssp.org/en/chiffres.htm

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  12. In the providence of Almighty God, three movements have come on the scene which I believe are destined to re-invigorate the Church as part of Christ’s assurance of being with his followers until the end of time. The first is Opus Dei and such innovations as the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal, which are rekindling the wonderful missionary and educational outreach of the Jesuits, Franciscans, and Dominicans of earlier centuries. The second is the emergence of lay leaders who by word and example are quietly and forcefully telling the world about Christ in the 21st century. You have heard one of those this evening. Finally, there is this small Catholic college movement of which Thomas Aquinas College was and is a pioneer. It is effectively preparing clergy, religious, and lay leaders for the next generation. Rev. Msgr. Francis J. Weber, Archivist for the Archdiocese of Los Angeles and Director of the San Fernando Mission
    https://thomasaquinas.edu/sites/default/files/pdf/newsletter/35-anniversary_links.pdf

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  13. New FSSP priest for Baltimore a diocesan transfer (though usually FSSP don’t take those(!)) not sure what happens in a year from bish sidekick to FSSP: “My sidekick in the video is Fr. Joel Kiefer, a 1992 graduate of West Point who served in the US Army in harm's way in such places as Haiti and Somalia,” Bishop Barres explained in reference to a YouTube video of the event. “He is an inspirational young priest who will be the instrument of many young men coming to the priesthood in the Diocese of Allentown. He actually beat me in the 3 point contest!”
    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/allentown_catholic_bishop_teaches_fundamentals_of_basketball_faith/
    @3 min see bishop teach adolescent girls basketball; @ 4:16 3 point contest.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F01IbaGqFw4

    The Rev. Joel E. Kiefer, from parochial vicar, St. Patrick Church, Pottsville, and chaplain, Nativity BVM High School, Pottsville, released to the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter for a one-year postulancy.
    http://articles.mcall.com/2011-06-13/news/mc-diocesan-priest-assignments-20110613_1_vicar-precious-blood-convent-pastor

    5 year West Point Career: "The men to be ordained are: Thomas Bortz, 44, of Reading, Kevin Gualano, 33, of Easton, Joel Kiefer, 33 of Bucks County…Kiefer was born in Cheltenham. He graduated from Archbishop Wood High School in Warminster and the United States Military Academy where he earned a B.S. in Mathematical Science. He also has a Master's in Human Resources Management from Troy State University in Virginia. After five years active duty as U.S. Army officer, Kiefer worked for a year as a medical sales consultant before entering the seminary."
    http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Joel-Kiefer/338049929

    "I once had the privilege of living in a rectory with Father Joel Kiefer. Before being ordained a priest, he spent six years in the army. He tells great stories about his life as a cadet at West Point. Here’s one."
    http://www.kofcassembly941.org/Newsletter-Central-District-Summer-2016.pdf

    http://www.cathedral-church.org/fr-ezaki.html

    Essig will be filling a vacancy previously occupied by the Rev. Ronald Yarrosh. Yarrosh faces more than 100 charges of sexual abuse of children after police found hundreds of child pornography images at the church rectory and his home. Kerr said Yarrosh is no longer part of the diocese. The newly ordained Rev. Joel E. Kiefer will fill Essig's role of parochial vicar at the Church of Notre Dame in Bethlehem.
    http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2004_01_06/2004_06_08_ExpressTimes_DiocesesPriests.htm

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  14. all the men are preparing for the priesthood at St. Charles Seminary outside Philadelphia.

    http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Joel-Kiefer/338049929

    A Catholic priest admitting a sexual relationship with a teen said he had been the victim of an attempted gang rape by fellow seminarians, according to testimony in a clergy-abuse trial…The Associated Press is not naming the priest, who graduated from seminary in 1974, because he may be a sexual-assault victim.
    http://www.mainlinemedianews.com/mainlinetimes/news/priest-testifies-of-attempted-gang-rape-at-st-charles-seminary/article_c94c823d-74b7-5ca1-87ec-f1b91e38ee83.html

    In another case, a former seminary student from New Jersey has launched a sexual-harassment lawsuit against the St. Charles Borromeo Seminary in Wynnewood, Pa.
    Christopher McKelvey, 39, said persistent lewd comments and homosexual propositions forced him to abandon his dream of becoming a priest.
    “When seminary instruction is sexualized, there is a defect in the system,” said McKelvey’s lawyer, Stephen Rubino. “What we see today is the church having to confront the problem.”
    The experiences of Walter and McKelvey are similar to those outlined in a upcoming book, “Goodbye! Good Men,” which claims a “gay subculture” exists at various seminaries across the nation, including at least one in New York.
    http://nypost.com/2002/03/24/critics-see-gay-bullying-at-seminaries/
    According to the current complaint, McKelvey attended St.Charles Borromeo Seminary in Wynnewood, Pa. The lawsuit claimsthe diocese and its priests "fostered, tolerated, permitted and encouraged inappropriate sexual conduct" in which McKelvey faced frequent exposure to "homosexual and other deviant discussions and or contact."
    http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news3/1999_03_24_Sokolic_Diocese4_Anthony_Manuppella_1.htm

    In the suit, McKelvey says one priest at a rectory where he was assigned
    frequently asked him intimate questions about masturbation and
    homosexuality and repeatedly invited him to gay bars. Two other priests,
    assigned to be his spiritual advisers, also made advances or invited him
    to gay bars, he said.
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.rasap/H4-Gkn9xI00/Na_vkmpDLn4J

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  15. Morley Publishing Group, Inc., Washington, D.C., May 2003
    According to Rev. Robert Boyd, an alumnus of St. Charles Borromeo Seminary, "Seminaries don't welcome critical thinking." By "critical thinking," he explained, he didn't mean dissent. Rather, good critical thinking involves the effort to delve deeply into the mysteries of the Faith and try to understand the why of our beliefs as well as the what. After all, seminary curriculum in theology is supposed to be graduate-level work. Nevertheless, it's too easy for seminarians to get through their programs without reading and mastering essential material. I've talked to numerous priests and seminarians who have admitted to me that while in the seminary, they never read or discussed in class such foundational documents as Sacrosanctum Concilium (The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy of Vatican II). How many liturgical irregularities can be explained by such ignorance?
    While seminaries such as Mount St. Mary's, St. Charles Borromeo, and Sacred Heart have very good moral theology programs taught by faculty loyal to Church teaching,
    A seminary's program in Sacred Scripture is another area requiring special scrutiny. While Catholic seminaries are not embracing the deconstruction of Scripture propagated by John Dominic Crossan and the Jesus Seminar, the historical-critical method of teaching Sacred Scripture dominates the curriculum to an unhealthy extent. According to Rev. Robert Boyd, the Scripture courses at St. Charles Borromeo were "all historical-critical, all the time. … In my own studies at St. Charles Borromeo, it wasn't enough to discuss the synoptic problem (the questions and problems surrounding the sources of the Gospels) once: I was subjected to a one-to-two-week unit on the synoptic problem in each of the three Gospel courses I took there. In five years of seminary education, only one Scripture professor (at Sacred Heart Major Seminary) attempted to incorporate the Church Fathers into the syllabus…. s a more systematic introduction to the depth and richness of the Church's patrimony of spiritual literature. At Sacred Heart an introductory course in the spiritual tradition is required, and at St. Charles the spiritual tradition is introduced during the Spirituality Year. As encouraging as this is, these efforts need to be expanded so that reading in the Church's spiritual tradition is incorporated throughout the seminary program… For example, at St. Charles Borromeo, there were a number of apostolate placements that were dreaded by seminarians. These were supervised by dissident priests — or, in some cases, feminist nuns — who used their supervisory and evaluative power to attempt to indoctrinate seminarians into their own ideologies and punish those who were insufficiently pliable. In spite of seminarians' complaints, these same assignments came up year after year to assault a new class
    https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=5062

    NB: Latin / Greek not mentioned, but then neither is 'chant.'


    "Music is the most spiritual of all the arts because it is the least dependent on the material world”, Father Joel E. Kiefer told participants in the first annual Gregorian Chant workshop, held November 20 at the Cathedral of St. Catherine of Sienna in Allentown, Pennsylvania."
    https://adoremus.org/2011/02/15/News-and-Views/

    http://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/5331/chant-camp-at-st.-annes-65-campers/p1

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  16. Saint Alphonsus church in Baltimore is one of the gems of the mid-Atlantic region of the United States... Today it has been announced that the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter will administer the parish, with Father Joel Kiefer, FSSP, to be installed as pastor. Monsignor Arthur Bastress, the most recent pastor of the church, has retired at the age of 90, ordained a priest in 1951. He worked tirelessly to keep the TLM going, in a tough neighborhood with very expensive maintenance needed on the shrine. His dedication to the 1962 books has paved the way for this gem of a shrine to be transitioned to a personal parish in the Archdiocese of Baltimore.Our congratulations to the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter for adding a gorgeous church to their growing ranks.

    https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2017/05/fssp-to-gain-major-apostolate.html#more

    http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/4500/Pope_Francis_and_Catholic_Traditionalists_20_Questions_for_Kenneth_Wolfe.aspx

    "When Auxiliary Bishop John H. Ricard was named the head of the Diocese of Pensacola-Tallahassee, Monsignor Bastress was asked to serve as interim delegate of the Urban Vicariate in 1997. During that time, he helped organize a popular evangelization event along Baltimore’s Inner Harbor area. “That was really neat,” Monsignor Bastress said, “and a real accomplishment.”

    - See more at: http://catholicreview.org/article/life/monsignor-bastress-reflects-on-60-years-in-priesthood-were-brothers#sthash.kMsjz5HC.dpuf

    http://restore-dc-catholicism.blogspot.com/2017/05/open-letter-to-archbishop-lori.html

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  17. FSSP against SSPX
    http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2016/05/the-fssp-harbors-aggressive-resentment.html

    Also although FSSP claims to be ready to go completely trad (in 40 yrs or so), hard to imagine w/its connection w/Opus Dei which is all about lay. Once Fisher More College criticized VC2 put out of business by same FSSP/Opus Dei group supporting Voris: "(my family belongs to a FSSP parish – Mater Dei parish in Irving, Texas)."
    https://www.facebook.com/DrTaylorMarshall/posts/400180263452671

    http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=2014:lies-and-falsehood-sspx-under-fire

    "I'm about to go to the Dallas Opus Dei recollection. Anyone else going tonight?"
    https://www.facebook.com/DrTaylorMarshall/posts/415362745267756

    Dr. Marshall told Michael that if we paid him that big severance he would say conciliatory things about the College when asked, but if we didn’t, he’d make sure the world knew how wicked we were. It was a dumb move on his part, and what’s even dumber, he left an electronic trail. He texted Michael over the course of three or four days reiterating his ultimatums and threats: messages such as “Your time is running out!” It appears that he worked to drive a wedge between Michael and the couple that ran Fisher More Academy (the high school). It appears that he worked hand-in-hand with one of the disaffected Dallas FSSP priests to arrange secret meetings to organize a revolt among certain picked students…excluding others that weren’t deemed reliable. And we’re pretty sure he was in Msgr. Berg’s and Bp. Olsen’s ears, too,
    http://angelqueen.org/2014/03/14/former-board-member-of-fisher-more-college-set-the-record-straight/

    Few organizations within the Church seem as prepared for the application of Summorum Pontificum than Holy Cross and Opus Dei. We have commented upon this before, but now we ask our readers to join us, 60 years following the first definitive Pontifical approval of Opus Dei during the Pacelli Pontificate: do you know priests and faithful of the Work who are working to have the will of the Holy Father in Summorum Pontificum implemented?
    https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2010/07/is-work-working-for-mass.html

    Opus Dei: a strange pastoral phenomenon
    http://archives.sspx.org/miscellaneous/opus_dei.htm

    SSPX was happy about Francis crushing this guy cause he's OPUS DEI
    https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/09/ciudad-del-este-opus-dei-bishop.html

    Engel brings out expose saying a year late due to other research:"All the Men Behind the Opus Dei Curtain" April 19 2017
    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/engel/170419

    4.26.17 tweet: Whoever in Opus Dei thinks it's a good idea to put some of their minions, as Weigel, against a new Personal Prelature should reconsider
    https://twitter.com/RorateCaeli/status/857392412766949376

    My view: if SSPX brought in w/no doctrinal agreement would fall right into Francis trap to declare 1 world church w/everyone w/no doctrinal agreements.

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  18. You can keep the FSSP.
    The new rites post July 1968 are extremely doubtful.

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    1. And their post-1968 popes are even worse.

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  19. I had a good laugh reading this post! The SSPX has real issues. Here is proof that they cover up child abuse lke the V2 sect:
    https://cruxnow.com/analysis/2017/04/06/pope-francis-delay-sspx-agreement-pending-abuse-probe/

    Second, the hypocrisy of "Watcher" is astounding! He claims that no one has the authority to rule on the orders of the FSSP, yet has no problem calling into doubt the validity of "One Hand Dan." Who ruled on his orders? If Watcher claims he's only calling it doubtful based on a possible defect in the matter of the Sacrament, then can't the same be said of doubting FSSP based on "bishops" made with a mutilated form that doesn't comply with Sacramentum Ordinis? What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander!!

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  20. Anon. 9:04 PM, we love to get comments from people like you, because you illustrate (and epitomize) everything that is wrong with Tradistan. In your puffed-up self-righteousness, you say that “the hypocrisy of ‘Watcher’ is astounding,” and then go on to make the logical error of confusing ruling on validity with expressing one’s doubts on validity. If I had ordered people to accept my doubts about Dannie’s validity as fact, then that, perhaps, would be “hypocrisy” – but I didn’t. I am, in fact, binding no one to submit to my opinion; I’m only expressing my doubts (just as you have expressed your doubts about the FSSP).

    And as for the SSPX “covering up” for priests who are child abusers, we do not deny that it exists, nor do we condone it. There have been both “good priests” and “bad priests” throughout the ages, in every facet of the Church. And there have also been cover-ups of them by the Church throughout the ages -- before, during, and since Vatican II; it’s nothing new. So, if you would condemn all those who have engaged in “cover-ups” and “scandals,” you’d be condemning the entire Church (again) “throughout the ages.”

    One last thing, concerning Dannie’s “validity”: actually, it would be better for Dannie if he were NOT valid, for he would be less answerable to God for his depraved behavior. Valid or not, he is a disgrace to his calling – and, in defending human scum like him, you are not standing on “the moral high ground,” but on quicksand. Therefore, we suggest that you cease being the hypocrite that you are, and face factual reality (for a change).

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    1. "Factual reality"? As opposed to "false reality"? Lol. From your own post,
      "But getting back to the question: are the SSPX and FSSP (and their clergy) valid? Until anyone with real authority (and jurisdiction) can prove otherwise, yes they are."

      Doesn't sound like an opinion but a statement of FACT. Unless someone in authority pronounces them invalid, you say "yes they are [valid]"

      And do you have DOCUMENTED PROOF that one hand was even used? A letter by nine priests who were not there and claim no witnesses hardly constitutes "documented proof"!

      There's a blogger called "Introibo Ad Altare Dei" who rips you apart!

      As far as "condemning the whole Church," of course there have always been bad clerics, but never the systemic sodomite control of the Vatican where even cardinals talk about a "Gay Mafia." The closer you get to Bergoglio, the closer to corruption. Hence, the SSPX!

      Name one priest from SGG who went to prison for raping children. Just one. I can name HUNDREDS from the Vatican 2 sect!

      So my charge of hypocrisy stands. I can't wait to see your uncharitable, boorish reply! You're the worst enemy of your own warped cause!

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    2. When you declare "yes, they are" meaning the FSSP orders are valid unless and until someone in authority declares otherwise, you certainly sound like you're making a ruling and your readers can go their with no qualms of conscience. Your alleged distinction between ruling on something and expressing doubts seems disingenuous at best.

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    3. Anon.’s 10:28 AM and 11:13 AM:

      First, you are sick men. You know full well what I meant when I said, “Until anyone with real authority (and jurisdiction) can prove otherwise, yes they are." A person who is not willfully biased like you would understand that this was in my opinion, and not some “decree” that I was trying to force it on anyone.

      Second, “Introibo ad Altare Dei” doesn’t rip ANYBODY apart (except perhaps himself).

      Third, the fact that there is no published proof that an SGG priest raped any children does not absolve them from what they did do – which was to condone gross immorality by others (not to mention, what they themselves did). (And, no, I’m not going to catalog what they did. Read our other posts for that.)

      Fourth, concerning Dannie’s one-handed ordination, read what Pistrina has to say about that. (Again, look it up yourself. I’m tired of wasting my time on you.)

      Lastly, the majority of our readers agree with what we say (because it comes from dozens of eye witnesses, or from Dannie’s and Tony’s own lips), so we really don’t care what you think (or what “Introibo” or any of your other “experts” think).

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    4. "You are sick men." So now you're a psychologist? Your (unqualified) opinion, and I can flip it on you---someone who has such obvious obsession with the same topic coupled by unrelenting vituperation is REALLY SICK.

      It's been said a fanatic is someone who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. That's you pal!

      The plain meaning of what you wrote reads as a directive, plain and simple. YOU'RE not "wifully biased." Yeah, Ok.

      Second, the Introibo blog is written by a NYC attorney. Very sharp writing and good research. He doesn't publish nonsense based on "secret witnesses." Challenge him in the comments of his blog, and let the reading audience be the judge as to who rios who apart!

      Third, there is no PUBLISHED proof. Are you suggesting there's unpublished proof that Dolan raped a child? Like the secret witnesses to his alleged one handed ordination? What you claim he did is NOTHING compared to the child molesting monsters of the V2 sect such as John Geoghan.

      Fourth, Pistrina is just as lame as you. I'm beginning to think it's the same guy with two blogs who speaks in he royal first person plural.

      Lastly, the majority of your readers have never been polled, unless it's another "secret."



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    5. I guess you see nothing wrong w/dead bunny stories or cat kill stories in the 'bishop's corner' of the bulletin - no red flags go off for you (and those are public weekly reading for all parishioiners). No red flags when 'the bishop' says that the principal's sons showing animal violence and porn videos to the other students is just 'boys being boys.' I know for sure I don't send my kids to school to watch porn and animal torture--I don't consider that 'boys will be boys.' The lotarski boys also used foul language and violence on other students and teachers, but Dolan would do nothing to them or their father (the principal) who also has a temper problem and uses violence on school children & his own children. Lotarski boys also accused Cekada of exposing himself to them when he was taking them swimming. Cekada would let one of the boys smoke w/him. Dolan told SGG members that he would fire Lotarski but then changed his mind. Lotarskis run around and say they can do anything they want--that they are untouchable. Why is that? Do you know?


      Troubled children are much more likely to mistreat animals. While less than 5% of U. S. children are estimated to have intentionally hurt an animal, for children at mental health clinics, animal cruelty rates range from 10 to 25%. Prof. Frank Ascione at the University of Denver and Prof. Arnold Arluke at Northeastern University estimate that one in four children and adolescents with conduct disorder have abused animals. Children who have been physically abused and exposed to domestic violence are at even higher risk. In an assessment of 1433 children ages 6 to 12, Ascione found that among abused children, 60% had abused animals. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/why-the-wild-things-are/201302/do-mass-killers-start-out-harming-pets

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    6. SPINELESS SADIST

      This type of sadist is completely opposite of other three types, as they are extremely insecure and behave like cowards. These people anticipate real danger, project their hostile ideas and strike first, thereby hoping to forestall the antagonist and put forth questions later. Although these sadists are afraid of many things, during times of stress they try to enforce the fears of their enemies. Spineless sadists employ aggressive hostility to portray the idea that they are not intimidated or fearful, which allows them to manage their inner feelings and display exactly the opposite of how they are actually feeling. Their mannerisms can be termed as counterphobic, a trick that allows them to control their personal fears as well as divert and propagate a false aura of self-assurance and confidence. Spineless sadists even seek out scapegoats whom they gang up on as this allows them to live in a state of denial about their own inner states.

      A sadistic individual gets highly enthralled by all forms of violence, martial arts, weapons, injuries, torture or death. He or she channelizes the inner killer instinct in various socially acceptable ways like “studying” as well as admiring historic figures such as cruel monarchs or dictators like Hitler.
      He does not falter from making use of violence or cruelty for establishing his dominance in any form of relationship. The main goal is to exert full and unbroken control over an individual or situation.
      https://www.hxbenefit.com/sadistic-personality-disorder.html

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  21. Terrible, yet compare;

    In the Geoghan case alone, some 150 people eventually came forward, claiming they were fondled or raped by the priest. In February 2002, Geoghan was sentenced to nine to 10 years in state prison for molesting a 10-year-old boy at a pool in Waltham. Later, the Boston Archdiocese reached a $10 million settlement with 86 other alleged victims. More than a dozen civil suits are still pending."

    And this is just ONE priest of V2. Now consider that all the above is more than allegations.

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    1. Anon, 2:44 PM, according to your logic, then, a priest always railing against evil is (to use your phraseology) “REALLY SICK” (and a “fanatic”). BTW, we were already aware that “Introibo” is a New York attorney. So what? Based on what we’ve read of him in his comments on our blog and PL, he doesn’t impress us at all. In fact, his continued denial of the facts about Dolan and Cekada brands him as being either grossly ignorant or totally lacking in intellectual honesty. And, not to worry, I’ll never waste my time reading his blog.

      Next, why did you assume that I was insinuating anything about Dolan “raping a chills”? Do you know something that I don’t? Again, with your word-twisting, you try to divert attention away from the points we are making in our article, and redirect it to your “tangent point of the moment.” And regardless of what John Geoghan (or anybody else) did (which, of course, we do not condone), that does not change what Dolan and Cekada have done – and the fact that they are human scum.

      Next, although “the majority of [our] readers have never been polled,” many do send in their comments tp Pistrina via private email (which we do not do on our blog); and the majority of them are supportive of PL’s (and our) position. Based on that, we feel we can safely say that “the majority of our readers agree with what we say.” The fact that SGG (and MHT) are dwindling in numbers is also proof that people believe we are telling the truth. You can huff and puff all you want, but it doesn’t change the facts.

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  22. A priest constantly railing against one particular evil would be obsessed (e.g. Only preaching against gluttony). The blogger has not denied any facts, just shown that you have not proven your burden of proof as to a one handed ordination.

    His blog discusses a multitude of topics that are interesting. You have a lot of emails? Just like you have many witnesses

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  23. Whatever may be true what is coming from the Vatican can't handle-could not convert into it; tried=more protestant cathedral in a large us capital than the church where raised-saw problems with rcia

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  24. Anon. 12:57 PM, i cannot quite make out what you are trying to say. Could you be a little more clear?

    As for Anon. 9:01 PM, that one needs to see a psychiatrist.

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  25. Really? Your a mental health professional? Ad hominem claptrap. Produce the names of the witnesses. (We can't ! ALL of them have compelling reasons not to speak out, and those reasons are more important than the salvation of souls). Introibo posts on various interesting topics (fact). Not the same garbage over and over. If a priest only spoke Week after weeek about gluttony as if that were the only sin, would you say something was wrong? You know you can't answer so you resort to name calling, much like the old Soviet Union accused dissenters as "mentally ill."

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  26. And you need to see a psychiatrist too.

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    1. Because of all your personal experience with them has made you an expert? Lol

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